Flying W American Mastiff?

[Proliant]

Has anyone here had experience with a Flying W American Mastiff? This appears to be a dry-mouthed English Mastiff outcross. Any comments would be helpfull as I so far believe that this is the breed for me (I love OEM's but hate thehealth issues and to some extent the drool).

[KCCaneCorsos]

No, never heard of this one. I would be interested in hearing what you learn. I have 3 Cane Corsos (Italian Mastiffs), and of course they have the same health concerns as any large breed dog will, but they are supposed to be a "dry mouthed breed". Not to say they don't drool, THEY DO, but not NEARLY as much as OEMs I've met. But any large dog will have the same basic health concerns, OCD, CHD, etc.

[melissacara]

Hi,
I read your post about American Mastiffs and had to respond. I have 2 of them and I got them from Flying W Farms. One is 3 years old and the other is 2 years old. They are the BEST dogs. I love them. My female is about 98% dry mouthed and I would say my male is about 80%, but they DEFINITELY drool much, much less than OEMS. I loved my 1st dog so much I got a 2nd one a year later. I don't have kids, so if you do and are considering getting one my only concern would be that when they step on your foot, it hurts like crazy and I would be concerned about them knocking a child over. If you have any questions for me, just ask. I live in New Jersey and if my husband would allow me (and if I had enough space in my bed) I would get 2 more of these dogs.

[Tanya]

I'm not sure how this website works but I saw this message and just had to let you know about my baby from Flying W farms. let me know if you get this and I'll go into detail

Originally Posted by Proliant

Has anyone here had experience with a Flying W American Mastiff? This appears to be a dry-mouthed English Mastiff outcross. Any comments would be helpfull as I so far believe that this is the breed for me (I love OEM's but hate thehealth issues and to some extent the drool).

[Tanya]

I LOVE my American Mastiff. She's almost two and she is my baby.. Everything they say about the AM is true. I got her from Flying W farms and I want another one. She is mostly dry mouthed except after drinking or when she's chewing on rawhide, which is normal for any dog. I suggest you get one, you will NOT be disappointed.

[KCCaneCorsos]

So what are the American mastiffs crossed with? I'm assuming OEMs and then what? Just curious where the dry mouth comes from.

I have a brindle female from Flying W Farms. She is beautiful and has the most loving gentle personality. Tammy

[bdpowell]

We've emailed Flying W farms a couple of times with no reply. Can anyone tell us how long their waiting list might be, or how long you had to wait for your American Mastiff?

[melissacara]

Hi everyone,
I would love to talk to the 2 people who have AM from Flying W. I love sharing AM stories. Who were your dogs out of? My male is of George and Maggie and my female is from Angel and Ben.
Also, in response to some of the other questions received about them. They are mostly OEMs bred with Anatolian Shepherd. I believe the Anatolian is what gives them a tighter lip, so less drool.
As far as the wait time, I believe we waited about 10 months for our 1 dog and only a few for our second dog. I think we got lucky with the short wait on the 2nd dog, because I have heard from people that have waited many, many months. All I have to say is IT IS WORTH THE WAIT! Trust me on that, you will love them. I would email Flying W again and just say that you want to make sure she got your info.
In anyone has any questions or wants to share AM stories please email me at melissacara8971@aol.com and maybe we can swap pictures. Thanks everyone, take care and make sure you hug your AM for me!

[melissacara]

Tanya where are you from?I am in New Jersey.

[smitty]

My family and I have a 1 year old, brindle, male American Mastiff.
Chief, is the most wonderful dog.
There is no slobber - only "shoe Strings" after a drink of water - which our Rottweiler gets after a drink as well. We have the most docile and sweet rottweiler as well, and they are the best of friends. We have a 2 year old and a 4 month old and Chief is extremely "soft" with them both. The dogs will "rough house", once my daughter gets near they both imediately break up - this is something we have never taught either dog. Also, Chief will not let strangers near our daughter or into our house unless we "introduce" them to him.

The one thing you MUST be willing to do if you want a mastiff is dominate the dog from day one and so on - the dog will love you for it and be very faithful. Do NOT let your puppy do anything you would not let a 200 pound dog do. Yes, 200 pound dog - Chief at 1 year old is 200+ pounds. So do not let him/her puppy bite etc.

I hope this helps and good luck - Fredricka raises the BEST dogs.

[smitty]

We were on a waiting list for 7 months - just keep after Fredricka - she is very busy with the horses etc. You will not be sorry onece you get one.

[HedgeMom]

Please be aware that there is no such breed as "American Mastiff". It's a mixed breed dog along the same lines as a cockapoo or a labradoodle. If you want a mixed breed dog, I'm sure it makes a nice pet.

As a former breeder/trainer/exhibitor of English Mastiffs, I can say with great certainty that the amount that a Mastiff drools is dependant on the bloodlines of the dog. I had a Ch. apricot ***** who never drooled. And every single one of my dogs lived to be 12 to 13 years of age with no major health issues.

Before you spend that kind of money, make sure you understand that you are not buying a purebred dog. You are buying a mix. And before you claim that all dogs are mixes, understand that the test of a pure bred animal is that if you breed two purebreds, you get more of the same. If you breed two American Mastiffs, you do not get more American Mastiffs. They are only working in the first two generations, which makes it a mix, not a purebred animal.

[bdpowell]

American Mastiffs are recognized by one of the kennel clubs (CKC I think), so you should take up that fight with them and not AM owners and enthusiasts. Clearly you know more about breeding dogs, but it's not our issue.

For everyone else.... we heard back from Flying W and we're on their waiting list. We're hoping to get our American Mastiff in the spring. Thanks!

[melissacara]

Bd Powell,
Congrats on getting your AM in the spring. You will have to let us know when you get your new pup. Are you getting a boy or girl? I really believe that you will not regret it.
As for Hedgemom, I certainly respect your position as someone who has shown and bred OEMS for many years. However, like someone else on here has said we are enthusiasts of the breed and not breeders.
I am sure buyers of AMs are aware they are not getting a purebred dog, they are getting a "mutt", but they are getting a dog that has all of the attributes of a breed they love and none of the downside.
While I have heard from tons of OEM breeders that they have lines of dogs that do not drool, I have to say that I recently went to a dog show and was grossed out by the amount of slobber coming off the OEMS. I really had no idea they drooled that much. I mean it was pouring off the dogs and it was not even hot out. I also noticed that when many of the handlers bent down to stack or whatever it is you do with your dog ( I am clueless as to breeding and showing) and got up that their backs had long stringers of drool on them. One lady even had it in her hair! No thanks, I will stick with my "mutts" that only sometimes dribble as opposed to the veritable fountain I saw on the dogs at the show.
Also, I have no interest in showing my dogs, so I do not need a purebred dog. I not only got what I wanted in a dog, I got even more and loved the breed so much I have 2 of them.
I wish everyone the best in whatever breed you choose, just make sure you love your dogs and treat them like the family they are.