Excited about new PUPPY!!!

[groundzero4]

I'm so excited about my new puppy that I am going to buy from allpetsbid.com. It's an 8 week golden retriever from Fresno, CA. Tell me what you guys think. Here is a picture of hiim http://www.allpetsbid.com/listing.php?aid=136

-josh

[Julia423]

The dogs are cute, but I'm shocked. I can't believe there is an auction site for animals. I don't blame you for being excited about a new dog, but I find the whole thing abhorent.

[groundzero4]

I think the website is actually very useful for pet owners who needs to sell their pets. Also, auction website is just as similar as classifieds. I think an auction website is more versatile in ways that you can search through the whole website for a pet that you like for a cheap price within minutes. But I think the website I'm getting my puppy from is still very new. Looks good though.

[Julia423]

How do you check out the breeder? I'd be worried that by supporting this kind of website, you'd be supporting backyard breeders. Have you considered adopting from a shelter or rescue organization? Again, I'm glad that you want to add a dog to your family, but I also am concerned about supporting the arbitrary breeding of animals just to make money. I hope you've done your homework.

[groundzero4]

This puppy comes with paper work and it's an AKC pup. The website is strongly against puppies from puppy mills of any sort. It is mentioned somewhere in the website. I just can't wait til I get the puppy! ITS ADORABLE!

[Julia423]

Good luck and I'm sure you'll love your puppy. Let us know how it goes and how the puppy is once you get him/her.

[groundzero4]

Backyard breeders. No. AKC breeders. Yes. Without any sort of breeding of dogs, there wouldn't be any dogs. I actually thank breeders, just not the type that will breed the dog and not care for it. If someone wants to breed a certain type of dog, by all means do so and as long as you can take care for it. But if someone wants to breed dogs just to sell it as their main source of income, and kill the dog if it doesn't sell, then that is when you put a stop to it. Supporting backyard breeders with or without paper work is OK, just as long as people buy them. The main part is to NOT support puppy mill breeders. I think it should be fair that a person can choose which type of dog they want, and just not get any dog off the street and care for it.

[That_girl]

I would never buy a purebred animal without going directly to a breeder and getting a puppy contract, but that's just me. There is so much that can go wrong during the whole process. I would also want to make sure my animal is comming from a knowledgeable person - and the only way to know for sure is to deal with the breeder directly.

This may be a useful site, but what happens when your puppy shows up on your door and doesn't look like the one in the picture?

[PatchO'Pits]

Originally Posted by groundzero4

Backyard breeders. No. AKC breeders. Yes. Without any sort of breeding of dogs, there wouldn't be any dogs. I actually thank breeders, just not the type that will breed the dog and not care for it. If someone wants to breed a certain type of dog, by all means do so and as long as you can take care for it. But if someone wants to breed dogs just to sell it as their main source of income, and kill the dog if it doesn't sell, then that is when you put a stop to it. Supporting backyard breeders with or without paper work is OK, just as long as people buy them. The main part is to NOT support puppy mill breeders. I think it should be fair that a person can choose which type of dog they want, and just not get any dog off the street and care for it.

Not trying to pick on you or get you defensive on this topic but I am going to over some info and advice for you to think about.

First off I wanted to say having papers doesn't mean that the pup was not bred by a BYB or puppy mill. Papers are just one part of being a responsible breeder.

I think the way they are auctioning off dogs is a disgrace. Did the person selling these pups screen you in any way. Are you given the pup under a spay/neuter or show contract. If not that screams BYB to me.

Reputable breeders want to know where their pups are going and screen new owners extensively. They also try to make sure that substandard pups /pet quality puppies are fixed so they can not reproduce.

Golden's also have a pretty long list of genetic diseases that run in them from hip issues to cancer. Were you given any health testing info or even general health info about the parents and the4 bloodline behind the puppies

I understand you being excited about a pup however I suggest you do more research

There are a few threads on the forum about BYB vs reputable breeders and also about buying from pet stores and this online thing reminds me of one giant pet store

JMO

You of course have to decide what is best for you

Good luck in no matter what you decide.

[katiem]

http://forums.petlovers.com/vb/showt...d=1#post237309
The above link is to another thread where someone purchased a pet through a website. Might be an eye opener.

No one is saying you shouldn't have the dog of your dreams, or that you have to adopt, or that it can't be a pure bred. A lot of people on this site chose to go to a breeder and purchase a dog rather than adopt. One of my dogs is a breeder purchased Rottweiler, so I understand wanting a pure bred puppy. It's fine, but thats not the point we are trying to make here.

When we purchased our puppies we got to go and meet them, and their families, and the people who bred them. We got to see that they were healthy dogs before they showed up on our doorstep. We got to ask our breeders tons of questions about the dog, we got a health certificate and a contract. Can you honestly say some nameless, faceless person on the net will do the same? And the dogs may be beautiful in the pictures, but there is no promise that that is the dog you will get.

Also, cheap prices sound great, but typically a cheap puppy is a poorly bred one, and they often end up being more expensive in the long run (medical bill etc.).

If you want a Golden Retriever, please try to find a reputable breeder in your area to get one from.

Good luck, and I do hope you find the puppy of your dreams.

[marg]

Originally Posted by groundzero4

Backyard breeders. No. AKC breeders. Yes. Without any sort of breeding of dogs, there wouldn't be any dogs. I actually thank breeders, just not the type that will breed the dog and not care for it. If someone wants to breed a certain type of dog, by all means do so and as long as you can take care for it. But if someone wants to breed dogs just to sell it as their main source of income, and kill the dog if it doesn't sell, then that is when you put a stop to it. Supporting backyard breeders with or without paper work is OK, just as long as people buy them. The main part is to NOT support puppy mill breeders. I think it should be fair that a person can choose which type of dog they want, and just not get any dog off the street and care for it.

People SHOULD be able to get any dog they want. The problem is that there are too many people breeding dogs in this world. Take a look at the over population in the shelters. Those are dogs that come from BYBs, reputible breeders, puppy mills. If everyone could just try and take a look at pets at the shelters and rescue organizations before shopping online we could maybe help w/ the problem WE have caused. There are TONS of puppies and adult dogs waiting for homes. They are just as wonderful as ANY dog that you buy from a breeder. As said before, they are the ones that CAME from a breeder. They are the ones that get euthanized every minute of every day. Even worse, they are the ones that go to a no kill shelter and live their lives in a cage because they are unadoptable because we have ignored them their whole lives and now are so far gone that noone can rehabilitate them. Sorry, but that is the way I feel. Anyhoo, enjoy your puppy. I'm sure he will be great.

[5kidsnadog]

We had an AKC registered husky who we bought without meeting the breeder. He was beautiful and we fell in love with him and his personality, but when we finally put him to sleep after 6 years of ungodly pain for our dog and vet bills for us, it was almost a relief. We never found out what was really wrong with him until way after he was put to sleep, but he had a genetic condition called zinc deficient dermatitis. None of this was apparent when we first got him, it wasn't until 6 months down the road that he started itching until he was a mass of scabs and never had a solid poop his entire life. This was a disease that any reputable breeder would have made sure did not occur in their bloodlines, but I'm sure the idiot who bred our dog figured that since this disease wouldn't manifest itself until he as older, we'd be unlikely to return a dog that we had fallen in love with. Turns out they were right. We spent literally thousands of dollars on skin biopsies, medications, and veterinary care. He also suffered from seizures. When he went blind from lupus at age 6, we finally put him out of his misery. We were so traumatized by the experience that we were unable to commit to another dog for ten years. I still look at our dog now waiting for the other shoe to drop.

Take it from someone who suffered and who has seen a poorly bred AKC registered dog suffer, meet the breeder. A good breeder will make you apply for the dog. They'll ask you more questions than you ask them. Some of them will want to see the environment you're going to put the dog in.

There are plenty of well bred dogs that you can meet the breeder and see the puppy and it's personality before you commit to it. This could be the greatest dog on earth you're buying, but it's an awful long term commitment to take so lightly that you wouldn't want to see him and meet him ahead of time.

[marg]

Originally Posted by 5kidsnadog

We had an AKC registered husky who we bought without meeting the breeder. He was beautiful and we fell in love with him and his personality, but when we finally put him to sleep after 6 years of ungodly pain for our dog and vet bills for us, it was almost a relief. We never found out what was really wrong with him until way after he was put to sleep, but he had a genetic condition called zinc deficient dermatitis. None of this was apparent when we first got him, it wasn't until 6 months down the road that he started itching until he was a mass of scabs and never had a solid poop his entire life. This was a disease that any reputable breeder would have made sure did not occur in their bloodlines, but I'm sure the idiot who bred our dog figured that since this disease wouldn't manifest itself until he as older, we'd be unlikely to return a dog that we had fallen in love with. Turns out they were right. We spent literally thousands of dollars on skin biopsies, medications, and veterinary care. He also suffered from seizures. When he went blind from lupus at age 6, we finally put him out of his misery. We were so traumatized by the experience that we were unable to commit to another dog for ten years. I still look at our dog now waiting for the other shoe to drop.

Take it from someone who suffered and who has seen a poorly bred AKC registered dog suffer, meet the breeder. A good breeder will make you apply for the dog. They'll ask you more questions than you ask them. Some of them will want to see the environment you're going to put the dog in.

There are plenty of well bred dogs that you can meet the breeder and see the puppy and it's personality before you commit to it. This could be the greatest dog on earth you're buying, but it's an awful long term commitment to take so lightly that you wouldn't want to see him and meet him ahead of time.

Very well said. So sorry to hear about your ordeal. Sounds as though you were totally committed to your dog. You're right, we fall in love and then we wouldn't think of giving them up. Your story is not uncommon, unfortunately.

[ReesAkita]

Originally Posted by groundzero4

Backyard breeders. No. AKC breeders. Yes. Without any sort of breeding of dogs, there wouldn't be any dogs. I actually thank breeders, just not the type that will breed the dog and not care for it. If someone wants to breed a certain type of dog, by all means do so and as long as you can take care for it. But if someone wants to breed dogs just to sell it as their main source of income, and kill the dog if it doesn't sell, then that is when you put a stop to it. Supporting backyard breeders with or without paper work is OK, just as long as people buy them. The main part is to NOT support puppy mill breeders. I think it should be fair that a person can choose which type of dog they want, and just not get any dog off the street and care for it.

I'm not trying to offend you but I don't think you really understand what byb's are....Patch gave you some good info and I hope you will read it and learn from it...supporting byb's is not good no matter how you try and spin it...AKC papers mean nothing as far as the health and the quality of a puppy is concerned!

[Angelfire]

I agree with all the other comments on meeting the breeders and the pups parents. We did get both our Rottn's from a rescue shelter we found on the net and we are taking a chance of something medical being inherited that we won't know about. The thing I don't agree with is giving a dog to the highest bidder. Just because someone will pay more money doesn't mean they are going to a good home for the pup and a good breeder cares where and what happens to their pups. When Mica was brought to us, our home and yard was checked by a volunteer to make sure she was going to a good home. We did for the first time meet the President of the Shelter on Sunday when we picked up new Rottn (8 months old) and when she saw how well Mica was doing she had no problem with us taking the pup home. Do some research on the breeder and ask them why they desided to auction off purebred pups. It clearly states "Hurry! They go fast!" on the auction page my first thought was if they go fast why do you need to auction them? Just a thought.
I do know that with some dogs there may not even be a breeder in your state like up here in Canada my neighbor had to get their dog from another province but they checked with the CKC about the reputation of the breeder.

Pam