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Old 10-26-2009, 12:49 AM
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Is this dog food ok?

I had Tuvok on just regular purina dog chow, but recently switched him over to a brand called Beef and More, I get it at Sam's Club, 40lb bag for 16 bucks. The main ingredient is beef. From what I have been told by my vet that any dog food w/ the first ingredient being beef is ok. The only thing is he's getting fat. He was neutured about 4 mths ago, so this could be the contributer. I am really watching how much food and treats he gets. I feed him in the morning and evening around 5pm.

Any input would be great, as I know Golden Retrievers are prone to being over weight, especially neutered males.
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Old 10-26-2009, 10:25 AM
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The short answer... No, it's horrible.


Beef, Ground Yellow Corn, Beef and Bone Meal, Wheat, Wheat Middlings, Soybean Meal, Corn Gluten Meal, Animal Fat, Flaxseed, Yeast Culture, Fish Meal , Salt, Potassium Chloride, Dicalcium Phosphate, Calcium Carbonate, Choline Chloride, Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Dried Whole Whey, Vitamin E, Manganese Proteinate, Vitamin A Supplement, Beta Carotene, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Copper Proteinate, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin D3, Niacin, Lecithin, Riboflavin Supplement, Biotin, Ethylenediamine Dihydriodide, Pytidoxine Hydrochloride, Cobalt Proteinate, Folic Acid, Thiamine Mononitrate, Sodium Selenate.

- First off having straight Beef at the top does nothing for the food unless it's followed by something like Beef Meal. Once you take the water out of the Beef it ends up about 6th or 7th on the list.
- Ground Yellow Corn is a high allergen to dogs, it is also pretty much indigestible and will serve to bulk up the amount of poop in your yard.
- Beef and Bone Meal "AAFCO: The rendered product from beef tissues, including bone, exclusive of any added blood, hair, hoof, horn, hide trimmings, manure, stomach and rumen contents, except in such amounts as may occur unavoidably in good processing practices." This speaks for itself...
- Wheat is indigestible for dogs and is a high allergen. Same effect on poop as corn.
- Wheat Middlings is a byproduct of the wheat industry, it's basically what's left over from the processing of wheat. There is no nutritional value and it serves the same effect as corn and wheat.
- Soybean meal is another high allergen and very indigestible ingredient that is being used here to boost the protein level of this food to meet the lowest possible standard. Plant proteins are extremely taxing on a carnivore's body systems such as the kidneys, long term feeding of foods with plant based proteins can cause irreversible damage such as renal failure.
- Same as Soybean Meal really... Cheap source of protein to boost the chemical levels, is not easily digested by carnivores and will cause damage over time.
- Animal fat... Well here's what i ask you, what animal is it? Animal fat refers to the rendered fat from anything, 4D animals even roadkill and the animals euthanized at shelters. Subpar Dog food companies round up all these dead animals and use them as cheap sources for their foods.
- Fish meal is alright, however i'd rather see specified what kind of fish it is not to mention when naming the type of fish used it indicates a higher quality. In all honesty this fish meal can be the heads, tails, bones, fins, scales from the fish industry. Any fish meal that is not specified for human use is preserved with ethoxyquin which is a highly toxic, highly carcinogenic ingredient banned for use in human food.
- And Whey... I don't like to see whey. It's a product of the dairy industry and it is not something carnivores can digest easily, not as bad as corn but still bad. Many dog food companies use it to boost the protein levels in the foods, otherwise there's really nothing else it's good for in the food.

No food you find in a grocery store will be good for your dog except for Kirkland Brand Dog Food. So unless you go to costco and can get Kirkland, i'd suggest sticking to pet food stores for your dog's food.

Print off these:
http://www.tailblazerspets.com/tailb...ubstances.html
http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index....badingredients
And take them with you when you go shop for dog food. None of the ingredients on these lists are in my recommended foods. If there are 2 or more bad ingredients, run far far away from that food.

ETA: Neutering does not have an impact on weight gain, your dog maturing into an adult and aging does. Adults need less calories than pups because they're starting to slow down and calm down (unless they're a performance dog). I just hate when people say neutering causes weight gain or other things, it deters other people from altering their dogs...
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I think MandyPug has done a great job covering why this food isn't so crash hot. Just thought I would add in a little statistic which might be some 'food for thought'.

Studies by premium pet food companies have shown that a pet on average will live 22 months longer if they are fed a premium pet food compared to a supermarket quality pet food.

Feeding high quality food is one of the best ways to ensure that your pet has a long and happy life.

If your puppy was neutered 4 months ago, I assume he is about 10 months old? If so, it is important to make sure that he is still on a large breed puppy branded diet, as the nutrients that growing dogs need is different to that of adults.

As a side note, I would have to disagree with MandyPug about neutering. Neutering a dog will decrease the amount of calories they need by up to 25%. However, this should not be a reason not to neuter your dog. Dogs don't magically get fat after neutering. They will only get fat if you overfeed them compared to their caloric requirements.

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As a side note, I would have to disagree with MandyPug about neutering. Neutering a dog will decrease the amount of calories they need by up to 25%. However, this should not be a reason not to neuter your dog. Dogs don't magically get fat after neutering. They will only get fat if you overfeed them compared to their caloric requirements.

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ETA: Neutering does not have an impact on weight gain, your dog maturing into an adult and aging does. Adults need less calories than pups because they're starting to slow down and calm down (unless they're a performance dog). I just hate when people say neutering causes weight gain or other things, it deters other people from altering their dogs...

I think you may have read what she said wrong, I actually had to double check it because I missed the not stuffed in there.

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