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    Hi , I am wondering about the rabies and even the respiratory vaccine. I got snuggles from jail about 1 1/2 yrs ago and that has a story. In the process he was given the rabies vaccine which I was against but stuck and couldn't monitor but gave clesr insructions to give it in his leg not his shoulder area. The "cooperating" shelter vet ignored that. He developed a lump and due to past experience and my vet he had surguryto be cautious. It was determined to be related to the vaccine and Thank God not cancer! It was costly surgery. By no means was he given the feluk vaccine. Snuggles was about a yr or so old when I got him so his past history or vaccine record was unknown.

    I got him a brother about 6 months later-puffy because he has puffy cheeks. He was a kitten and given the rabies vaccine and the rep vaccine;not the feluk.

    So now it's past renewal time for both of them. I am against the rabies vaccine for cats who are inside which they are. But I've read that there are some concerns that the resp. vaccine might be a contributor to the kidney disease that is so prevalent in cats (I also know the dental care is a factor in that). I realize with the rabies vaccine a booster may/may not be necesary. Since Snuggles has already had a vaccine site reaction I am even more leary about him. And I don't know if he had been vaccinated as a kitten . Puffy as I said has had one. with no reaction but they are bothe=inside. Does anyone have an opinion on either and any opinion about just giving the upper resp. vaccine? Feel free to e-mail me directly ...this site wouldn't accept it properly but my address is beachdays6869@yahoo.com [the 9 was omitted when I trued to add it when I registered here and it wouldn't let me put it in].

    BTW so far as what is legally required that doesn't matter ...unfortunately the legality doesn't care as much about their health.

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    Rabies is required by law. Rarely does the Rabies vaccine require a vaccine reaction. If your kitties, regardless of where they stay, scratch or bite someone...ANYONE...they will be euthanized and decapitated without your sayso because they are not Rabies Vaccinated. Why would you risk that?!

    The RCPC vaccine also rarely causes a vaccine reaction alone. However, some kitties cannot be given both vaccines in the same as they become lethargic and often have a reaction to the combination.

    Lumps are common with vaccines, they eventually dissolve within a few weeks. When did your vet remove the lump you saw? How long after vaccination?

    Also, did your kitties recieve Modified Live vaccines or Killed? That also plays a BIG role in reactions.

    Aside from that, I've not heard that the RCPC vaccine causes Kidney Disease. The two aren't even related. Kidney Disease, is however, the leading cause of death in kitties simply because they don't drink enough water.

    If you're not going to vaccinate your cats, keep in mind you bring stuff inside to them...and you better get that Rabies Vaccine or you're going to be regretting it later. Never say never.

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    Also, have they been tested for FIV (Aids) and FeLeuk (Leukemia)? That may also have something to do with the reactions to the vaccines if they're positive for either of these.

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    I agree with TIFFERS on this one. The rabies vaccine isn't a question, you really NEED to have it just incase someone gets scratched or bitten that isnt a fan of cats.. And dont say you only allow friends you know into your house because all it would take is ONE person, a cable guy, mover, repair person... and just ONE bite or scratch.

    I have 4 cats, all of my cats have been vaccinated for rabies. However, i do feel that many people OVER vaccinate. With the feline aids, i dont think a cat that will live it's life indoors needs to have it.. and i am not sure, but ithink the feline luek. vaccine also is unnessesary for indoor cats. My issue here is that out of my 4 cats, ONE is indoor/outdoor and i dont want her bringing something in to my other cats, so all are vaccinated.

    I really think the amount of REAL incidents directly related to vaccines are sooo low in numbers that there is more information to back up vaccinating than to NOT vaccinate.

    Honestly, i worry MORE about what is in my cat's food, and how much water they take in WAY more than vaccines. I trust my vet to tell me what is needed in my situation and what is not needed.. But with food, there are so many variables and soo much damage that is caused by bad foods, so i put most of my concerns there.
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    The FIV is not recommended around our area, simply because it makes for a false positive. However, either of these, FIV and FeLeuk, can be handed down at birth...so, it's imporant to test all kitties before adding them all together in your house.

    To the OP, you will also find that you will not be allowed to decline a Rabies vaccine if you take your kitty to a vet for shots. It's against the law to allow an animal to walk out the clinic doors without a current Rabies shot. A vet would rather anger a client before losing their license, trust me.

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    yea, i know about the false positive that can occur with a FIV vaccine, but decided that we were going to see if there was a microchip out there that would provide that info> basically, i feel that the majority of the time, microchips are useless in cats around here because shelters just do not accept cats, BUT with our outdoor cat who will test FIV positive, it would be good info to have on her at all times.. she also has a tag that lets people who she was vaccinated.

    My co-worker has a cat who tested postive for FIV, but i strongly feel that it is a false positive. She found the cat, it was friend and sweet and already neutered, so it DEFINITELY was someone's pet. AND she found it about 5-7 years ago, when the FIV vaccine just came out and everyone was getting them. The cat has been with her since, and never had any serious medical issues. It was sick a few times, but recovered normally with antibiotics, where a true FIV cat would have more issues recovering..

    We will never know for sure if they cat is truely positive, but she is treating it as a false positive, and just vaccinated her other cats against it - they are strictly indoor cats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beachdays686
    Hi , I am wondering about the rabies and even the respiratory vaccine. I got snuggles from jail about 1 1/2 yrs ago and that has a story. In the process he was given the rabies vaccine which I was against but stuck and couldn't monitor but gave clesr insructions to give it in his leg not his shoulder area. The "cooperating" shelter vet ignored that. He developed a lump and due to past experience and my vet he had surguryto be cautious. It was determined to be related to the vaccine and Thank God not cancer! It was costly surgery. By no means was he given the feluk vaccine. Snuggles was about a yr or so old when I got him so his past history or vaccine record was unknown.

    I got him a brother about 6 months later-puffy because he has puffy cheeks. He was a kitten and given the rabies vaccine and the rep vaccine;not the feluk.

    So now it's past renewal time for both of them. I am against the rabies vaccine for cats who are inside which they are. But I've read that there are some concerns that the resp. vaccine might be a contributor to the kidney disease that is so prevalent in cats (I also know the dental care is a factor in that). I realize with the rabies vaccine a booster may/may not be necesary. Since Snuggles has already had a vaccine site reaction I am even more leary about him. And I don't know if he had been vaccinated as a kitten . Puffy as I said has had one. with no reaction but they are bothe=inside. Does anyone have an opinion on either and any opinion about just giving the upper resp. vaccine? Feel free to e-mail me directly ...this site wouldn't accept it properly but my address is beachdays6869@yahoo.com [the 9 was omitted when I trued to add it when I registered here and it wouldn't let me put it in].

    BTW so far as what is legally required that doesn't matter ...unfortunately the legality doesn't care as much about their health.
    Hi and welcome to the forum!

    Here is a useful link describing vaccinations, what they are for, how often is recommended and what is not needed, etc.

    Many vets have gone over to the annual rabies vaccine which is 99.99 % (or higher) free from danger of vaccine site sarcomas. It is the adjuvant in the vaccine that is the problem. The adjuvant (I may be spelling it wrong) is a "booster" that causes the vaccine to last longer. The purvax vaccines do not have this. also purevax already has a needle free FeLV vaccine and I believe the annual rabies is now needle free too. (it's called the vet-jet system) Which, with no injection makes the shot 100% no chance of vaccine site problems.

    Most vets do not recommend the FeLV vaccine for strictly inddor cats, but Rabies..well even if your state doesn't have a law (some still don't) I prefer to have my animals protected. Even though inddoor only cats, you never know, they may get out. OR something, a bat for instance, may get in. I wouldn't risk it.

    Purevax does not make a FVRRCP (that's the distemper or as you called it resperitory vaccine) yet, that I know of, but many vets only give the vaccine every three years now, and stop after a cat turns ten or 11.

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    There are no 100 percent certainties in life, there is always a possibility that your cats could get out and be exposed to something. I've heard of EMT's coming in and out when someone is ill or injured accidentaly letting one out, or someone entering your house could have stopped to pet a kitty which was infected with one of the ailments that vaccines protect against. I wouldn't risk it with mine, but as one of your cats has had a reaction I would shop around and talk to different vets until I found one I was confident would take that reaction into consideration before vaccinating, and would take the utmost precautions to prevent a repetition. Having seen cats die one after the other of FLV, I would never care to see another one contract it, it isn't pretty, and isn't neccisary.
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    thanks for your responses...I believe and have read much on a different board in the past that we over vaccinate cats (and dogs) and that i swhere I was partly coming from....it is true anything can happen...yet I'm not sure about how much is looked out for them vs. the legality as it applies. That being said my concern is the necesity of a booster and as I stated the risk since one already had a reaction...it was a "killed ; vaccine that he received and I believe my current vet uses the purevax;the one snuggels went to I think used it ,I don't have that info in front of me at the moment. BTW many years ago before vaccine relate sarcomas were acknowledged I had a previous cat who got cancer from the rabies vaccine thios being confirmed at the vet teaching hospital where he went for treatment fighting a 3 yr. battle he lost from it so I know something about what could happen. They are indoors and it's true anything can happen I know. But I don't want to make it happen to them either. It's a tough thing to decide what's right.

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    The thing with vaccines is that MANY people blow out of proportion the amount of bad things caused by vaccines compared to the good things they do. The sad thing is, everything seems to cause cancer.. and there are A LOT of things that we do in our lives that can cause cancer to our animals. Unfortunately we are forced to choose between the lesser of both evils.

    I have had a scare with my chili cat who had a lump in a site where her vaccine was given.. it scared me to death, but so far, i have not been able to feel it again.. but i would not STOP vaccinating my cats because of it.

    I do agree, some of the boosters need another look and vets need to get straight what method to use that is safest and how often to administer. I have heard a few different things from a few different vets regarding different vaccines. I do trust my vet, and we have talked about vaccines a lot and i trust him in that he will vaccinate my cats in a safe way.

    I think the BIGGEST thing here is to trust you vet and KNOW that he is not just hoping to get the $35 a year in his pocket for a certain type of vaccine. I can NOT stress the importance of trusting you vet. I dont know WHAT i would do if i felt the need to question what my vet suggests.. I would really feel lost, because i did not go to vet. school.. i would HOPE the person whom i put my cat's lives in their hands would take it seriously.. and he does.. So if he tells me that they use a safe way of administering vaccines that shows little to no affiliation with cancer, i trust him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beachdays686
    thanks for your responses...I believe and have read much on a different board in the past that we over vaccinate cats (and dogs) and that i swhere I was partly coming from....
    I'm terribly sorry about what happened to your kitties. I agree that our pets are over-vaccinated, and would add humans to the list, specifically children. I went through similar soul-searching when deciding which vaccines to use for my kids. I used some, delayed others, and rejected a few outright.

    While there are certainly those who dwell only on a vaccine's side effects, there are also far too many completely unwilling to consider those very real side effects, or even admit they exist. Your concerns are valid, and you take a risk either way. So it's not a matter of "Are you willing to take the risk", it's "Which risk do you want to take". And that's your decision, despite any propaganda on either side of the issue.

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    thanks for the acknowledgement of the problem

    I appreciate gretly the acknowledgement point. Yes far too many seem quick to state get the vaccine. Yes I know it's a risk and accurately stated which risk to take. It's hard. I know statistics show less than more get cancer but once is a lot already. I went through weekly travel about 6-7 hours and had to leave him there during the treatment process. He crasshed and though they brought him back he was blind from the crash ...though it was never clear whether 100% or 80-90% . And I was home not there when that happened. I washed out his wound and eventually when it burst open it was an extremely difficult time... not to mention expense and some questioning my actions. And this is when it was hardly admitted to that it came from the rabies vaccine. So when a lump appeeared with this one and though it has been about 12-15 yrs. since that happened I know what it could be. And I have tried to stay updated but with the drug companies so often wanting to make $ more than care it is complicated. As for the matter of trust my vet of 20 + yrs. retired a couple of yrs. ago and though I think the new ones care they are so busy some time I'm not sure about respnses. Lastly there is a terrible policy here that the vets have where there is no local emergency treatment...you have to go about an hour or longetrr awy to get emergency care. So all of these things factor in.Finally I don't know much about the need for boosters. It is my understanding that if you don't maintain the vaccines you need to get the initial booster and then if they stay inside it's relatively safe.

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    To me, being in the field, it doesn't sound like vaccine reactions. It sounds like poor sterility and husbandry on your vet's part.

    If he had a 'wound' and it 'burst'...it's probably an abscess which means somebody screwed up HORRIBLY when vaccinating your cat. I'd recommend taking your kitty elsewhere...all your animals for that matter.

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    follow up to tiffer's reply;tiffer please read

    ...interesting comment let me give you some clarification in case I didn't state it as clear as I should have in trting to not be any more detailed than necesary...Joseph was my cat who got cancer fromthe rabies vaccine ;fibrosarcoma. This was varified at an animal teaching hospital by a cancer specialist. Initially he had a lunp,surgery from my local vet who said it was an extreme minority at that time. He went for treatment chemo after radiation. But it eventually developed to become larger and that is what burst to a large open wound. That was about 12-15 yrs ago. He had other "brothers'" and through various cicumstances and time they died. Most recent was the loss of Ranger [another story who died with no warning or symptoms or previous sickness within a 4 hr time slot about 2.5 yrs ago] through that circumstance which was very traumatic I eventually got Snuggles, He is the one who came from the shelter out of town and was vaccinated in a location I said not to do (shoulder) because I knew the danger. He developed the lump which the vet I now have (the origial one had retired) had recommended to have removed to be save. You know the rest from what I posted. So if you still feel it was an issue with being sterile I'd like for you to expound on it as it relates to these facts. Again the vet hospital is the one who confirmed the cancer and the cause so I don't think the vet at that time was the problem. BTW thanks for your reponse especiallyas one who is in the field.

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    Okay, that makes it more clear. I was certainly QUITE confused. :]

    ...the kitty who died suddenly, was it vaccinated prior to death? It kind of sounds like Feline Heartworms. A sudden death with no symptoms or issues prior to the death.

    ...all the kitties that you have had that have died (around the time period of the one with fibrosarcoma) were related (brother/sister)? That can certainly have something to do with it as well.

    To make myself clear, I'm not trying to argue or anything with you. I am curious about your situation with your kitties and I am literally floored that they gave the Rabies in the shoulderblades. ...there's a reason why it goes in the Right Hip, and I'm sure you know that as well.

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