View Full Version : Taco's diet?
birdgirl
08-22-2003, 08:08 PM
Taco has been on a seed based(he also eats veggies and fruits) diet all his 2 years of life and I was wondering how long I should wait after I get him before I change his diet to pellets?
bridgirl,
i was just at a parrot seminar on saturday last week and the speaker who takes in rescue's to be adopted out said since she has that small window of opportunity, taco has new environment, new people, that she doesn't give them seed at all but just pellets and lots of greens and a cooked bean mix and they eat it because they are "new". so i don't know if you should put any seeds in the dish at all. she hasn't ever had a problem with it only in parakeets, and sometimes cockatiels, as they are so small that they would starve to death, so she deals with them differently, but all the other birds have been converted over immediately and she has taken in over 300 parrots!
birdgirl
08-23-2003, 10:48 AM
Ok then I will go out and buy a big bag of pellets the day before I pick up Taco.
hey, by the way, do you get the cage with Taco? how old is he, and why is that lady selling him? also the good "cheaper" pellets are called Hagen Tropican, maybe you can find them on the internet or sometimes i get those warehouse magazines in the mail, my preference is to buy from these places as to NOT support the bird selling stores.....but that is my preference. by the way, omars the exotic pet store here in california had a green cheeked amazon with a sold sign on him and he was label a lilac-crowned amazon and i told the lady that he wasn't a lilac-crowned and she said, oh, do you know the story behind him? some people were cutting down a tree in santa ana, Calif and there was a nest with 3 baby parrots in it and they gave them to us, so we hand-raised them and now they are all sold! $800 ea!!!!! i was shocked!! the lady that i was telling you about that i saw at the seminar is named bonnie kenk and she is the director of the P.E.A.C. in san diego and she gets babies the same similar way(some fall out of nest with no feathers on!) but she tries to see if they can be put back in the nest if not then they hand raise them and adopt them out, but in order to adopt them you have to take 4 of their educational classes, they come to your house to make sure you will be giving the bird a good home and they do background checks on you!! anyway the petstore selling feral babies just to make a buck really made me sick.
schavon2
08-23-2003, 12:05 PM
i dont think the shop did anything wrong by the babies...the woman said someone gave them to them, so they'd apparently already been removed from the nest. what else were they to do with them? at least they hand fed them and sold them. and $800 seems a pretty reasonable price, for amazons, for california. i don't really find anything shocking or offensive at all in the situation. just surprised that amazons would be nesting in santa ana...or maybe that's a common thing?
it is a common thing as we have alot of feral flocks flying around here, some and alot of it is due to people buying them here and deciding this isn't what they wanted and will let the parrot go free!! i guess i feel that since there are organizations here like the peac that they should have called them and gave the babies to them, i thought that omar's sold babies from breeders and were suppose to be reputable because of it, to me it seems like they are out for the ultimate $$$$$. also i wouldn't feel so bad if they would educate their clientele alittle more before purchasing and work with them on behavior after they do buy them, however it is not that way, they will buy your bird back at an 1/8 of what you paid for it and re-sell it for $100 cheaper than the first time it was sold and the reason i know this is i have seen birdies that have been returned and now sitting there for a couple of years waiting to be re-sold, with behavior problems attached with no correction. all they care about is money, not the birdies.
schavon2
08-23-2003, 01:27 PM
i still contend there is nothing disreputable about what they did. at least they offer to take birds back if folks aren't happy with them. and apparently they're not in the business of educating people, they are in the business of selling pets and pet supplies. getting educated is the responsibility of the person who buys a bird, not the person who sells it. as for giving the birds to peac, which i am not familiar with, i don't think they had any responsibility to do that either. someone brought the babies to them, so they hand fed them and sold them. period. nothing wrong with that in my book.
birdgirl
08-23-2003, 07:42 PM
oh I see a fight starting here PLEASE DON'T! as for the baby amazons at least they all have homes now and you never have to shop there again. as for Taco I do get his cage with him and he is 2 years old and they are selling him because they think he needs some one who has more time for him.
schavon2
08-23-2003, 08:14 PM
hardly a fight. just a discussion. don't go getting scared anytime folks have a difference of opinion. it's no big deal.
no fight necessary, not to worry. everyone is entitled to their opinion. as in some of schavon earlier posts, he seems to be a little naive that in america or in some places in america we have "fads" and in the 90's parrots were the lastest craze and as a result there are now many many sanctuaries that loving people have established for them as these species tend to live our out live their humans. i don't know about egypt, but it seemed, and correct me if i am wrong, there isn't alot of parrots for sale and there doesn't seem to be an epidemic of overpopulation occuring. there are a couple of websites i might suggest to schavon to check out if you wanted www.mytoos.com www.the-oasis.org www.fostersparrots.com www.peac.org these are a few of the websites available that show some of the setbacks as a result of the overpoplulation of parrots since the 90's. altho from a "business" outlook i understand schavon's point, but not only i feel that parrots stores should be responsible in education, so should any store that sells cats or dogs, this is a life we are talking about not a stuffed animal. there are alot of concerned people over here trying to get laws established now to protect the parrots, i think there was a post earlier on a new legislation trying to be passed to sell parrots from out of the country that are stolen from the nest. my own personal view about the babies i that it makes me sick. we all have our own opinions and that is what this forum is about.........expressing them, and we can still love each other AND disagree, right? anyway i'm really happy for you birdgirl with your new found friend Taco, i think it is great he is kinda an adoption on your part, Thank God you will have time for him for the rest of YOUR life and his and he won't be passed onto someone else becasuse you don't want the responsiblity anymore.
oh, i wanted to tell you that i found the Hagen Tropican pellets online and order them for myself, i went to the search engine and typed in Hagen Tropican and there are several webites to purchase them if this is helpful (:
schavon2
08-23-2003, 08:32 PM
i'm an american living in egypt teri. born and raised in the midwest, lived in california for many years...have been in egypt for 11 years. we have homes in both countries. so i'm not exactly naive about america. lol
as long as people buy pets from pet stores, pet stores will continue to sell them. i simply meant i saw no problem in a shop selling birds that were given to them.
Ha, Ha!!LOL!!! see how much we really know of one another? wow, so do you like living in egypt? was it your job that took you there? i was so envious that you went to the red sea for vacation and i loved that when you came back your parrot was making the wave sounds!!!
schavon2
08-23-2003, 09:48 PM
my husband is egyptian american...met him in california. we came out here on a lark, and have stayed. we have a business here, and i teach home school.
schavon2
08-23-2003, 09:49 PM
and i do love it in egypt. the good life is very affordable, people are very kind, it's very safe, very peaceful. life is good.
Redstorm1721
08-25-2003, 08:37 AM
Hello all. I was reading all the post here, and it is very intresting. Anyway, My cousin went to egypt and in her eyes, it was not safe!! But that again is her eyes view. Birdgirl you go girl. I am so happy for you and Toco. Where my cousin lived ,the women still washed their clothes on the nile. Slapping their clothes on rocks. So far from the "free Living" I am glad some are so happy where they live. I am also happy to be an American, and living in America!People in Egypt where she went to live have to do all that the husband says or ELSE! She was very lucky to get out when she did. No running water and killing chickens on the roof for food. Thats all good and dandy where you are happy and all, not my way of living. No toilet to sit on, no paper to wipe.We have all heard the story's. But it is so great to hear all the differences here. Anyway, good luck with you new found love Toco!Can't wait to hear more!
schavon2
08-25-2003, 11:53 AM
it seems your cousin's husband was a peasant...god knows where she was to see the kinds of things she did.
and women are not required to do all their husband tells them...that went out with jehan sadat, who changed womens rights forever in this country.
lol...i have a lovely home here, with running water, electricity, a pool in my yard. actually we have more extravagences here than we do in our home in the states.
your cousin must have visited some remote village. anywhere near cairo, it's illegal to wash clothes in the nile.
Redstorm1721
08-25-2003, 12:24 PM
I am not so sure. I do know they were so very poor. Not to say that is bad or anthing. I am not rich by far. I have a pool,the kind you blow up. LOL. But she has the most beautiful blonde hair, she said she was always so scared to go to the village, because the men would stare at her, and so from then on, her husband's mother made some beautiful clothing and head raps for her to where. She said that no women could go to the cafe there, only the men? I have no clue about where you live, but it is sure nice to hear all about it. Oh, where her husband is from, they didn't have a toilet so they made a special one for her and just for the occasion that she was there. They had only a hole in the floor with a curtian around it ,and 2 handles in which you held on to. Then wash with water. Sounds much more clean then to use paper I guess.Juat a few things of what happened to her where he was from. But I bet its really nice there and would love to know more! Gail
Jenny
08-26-2003, 12:15 AM
So interesting! What year was that Gail?
crazeemama
08-27-2003, 03:42 PM
I agree that you should make all changes from day1. I posted a link in a thread called parrot nutrition. It has some wonderful info It is a pretty long article but i really like the 'layering' approach and want to try it with mine.
crazeemama
08-27-2003, 08:38 PM
b'girl -
here is the link for above website
http://www.exoticbird.com/