I don't get it

[Magnum]

There is a person where I work that is anti-PETA, regardless of what PETA does. I found this out too late today and I wish I knew before hand. Anyway, I showed this person the Kosher meat processing video and they were only able to watch maybe a minute total. Well this person was horrified at the treatment they saw and said "something has to be done about this and I would like to help write to whom ever they have listed". I said, "Let's see if PETA has something listed here". This person turned off just like a switch when I said the word "PETA". They no longer gave a rip about what they saw and wanted nothing to do with it. They said that if PETA was behind the video, then they have no interests in getting involved... :eek:

What is with this attitude? I don't care if the biggest thug in the world was trying to stop such a horrible act, I would still try to help the animals. This person has pets and I know for a fact they take excellent care of them. It isn't a matter of not caring for animals, it's a deep seated revenge against PETA. I know this sounds stupid to care so much for pets, but go totally against an organization that is dedicated to all animals, but it really threw me off balance. I got upset, kept my cool, but still my heart was thumping like mad because of the video, and then this person not willing to have anything to do with helping animals if PETA is involved. How many more pet people are not willing to help because of any organization involvement. What if someone has a bun out for HSUS and won't adopt because it happens to be at their shelter? :confused:

I guess I am not looking for answers, but just venting over the whole incident today that had me totally bummed.

[hopeful]

I know what u mean, I actually know alot of people who are anti-peta.
there reasons are always the same, that peta digs too deep and goes overboard.
I dont get it either!!!!

[krazy4birds]

I don't know georgia...I wish I had the answer...but I don't. I too have been met with the same attitude when I mentioned PETA. It just boggles the mind trying to figure out where these people get their negative attitudes from. *sigh*

[Jennicat]

Honestly, although I am very much for animal welfare, I am very much against Peta. They send sexist messages which are detrimental to women, fund terrorist groups such as ALF and ELF, and show shockingly poor taste in their campaigns. They also believe that no one should own pets, because animals should be free.

Not to mention that of the animals they take in, they euthanize something like 70%, which is an appalling rate.

[John Olexa]

The only thing I can come up with is a complete lack of understanding.
One thing I have learn over the years is while some org. for the most part help Dogs, cats, rabbits, you know "pets." PETA goes the extra mile for cows, chickens, pigs. As well as dogs, cats & rabbits. But, Joe public just don't understand the fuss over farm animals. While HSUS & the ASPCA for the most part handle things with written letters ( which is fine!!) but PETA, as some know have been known to do some ...ummmm outrages things to draw attention to the cause. Which some people don't understand and my guess is there biggest reason for not liking PETA Oh well!

[John Olexa]

Honestly, although I am very much for animal welfare, I am very much against Peta. They send sexist messages which are detrimental to women, fund terrorist groups such as ALF and ELF, and show shockingly poor taste in their campaigns. They also believe that no one should own pets, because animals should be free.

Not to mention that of the animals they take in, they euthanize something like 70%, which is an appalling rate.


ALF & ELF ARE NOT TERRORIST!!!!!!!!!
Please prove that last point!! :mad:

[John Olexa]

Honestly, They also believe that no one should own pets, because animals should be free..

That is completly False !!! Come to PETA office, theres pets running around everywhere. I don't know a PETA member my self included who don't own pets Just another media thing that people like you believe

[Magnum]

The thing is, this person was touched, horrified, appauled, sickened, even cried while watching only a minute of the video. All of that emotion quickly came to an abrupt halt because of a name. Did the animals suffering no longer matter now? Did the heinous act in the video all of a sudden become unbelievable and not worthy of an ounce of care? Just simply erased from memory? I have to see this person Monday-Friday and it truly upset me deep down.

It's the whole scenario in a nut-shell that threw me. If I had mentioned PETA and this person got on their soap-box, sobeit.....everyone has their opinion. But we just watched a heart wrenching video that went straight to the heart, and all that heart thumping tension was erased for this person with a mention of a name. :(

[John Olexa]

I have taken part in ALF rescue missions. I am not a terrorist!

[Magnum]

John, you are a PITA member.....you have Lizzie ,Rex and Peanut, right? I don't understand why some think that PETA is against having pets. :confused:

[John Olexa]

Oh i don't know. yep my 3 buddies lol.
I hate when people make statments without proof.

I have heard other people say that to...... PETA don't believe in pets that all animals should be free!!!! LMBO How stupid is that. How could you have dogs & cats and all animals running loose * banging my head against the wall* LOL

[John Olexa]

For the record. I'm not against you jennicat for not liking PETA thats fine.
It's your comments that got me worked up LOL. I would like to see some facts backing up those comments ( and not from the National Enquire) LOL

It was the PETA thinks no one should own pets that did it LOL . God! I didn't think that one was even still around anymore! :rolleyes:

[petpeever]

Magnum maybe you should come right out and ask why they feel that way about Peta. In a friendly, not offensive manner. I'll be honest, I'd never heard of Peta until I found this site. Would have never known there was so much controversy without this forum. By the way John congradulations on getting this forum.

[Jennicat]

I'm sorry, I consider any group that starts fires, destroys property, and otherwise does damage to be terrorists. I have a pet peeve against people who use the ends to justify the means. These things are still wrong, and ALF and ELF do these things. I'm sure they would be just as upset if, say, The Beef Farmer's Association was burning down vegetarian resturants, but still not actually harming anyone.

That being said, they also euthanize a huge amount of animals, and say that being a no kill shelter is just people being "naive". They take in millions and millions of dollars, which goes to what? Paying models to sit naked in cages, putting up billboards about murder victims and comparing them to pigs, lauching the horrifically offensive "Holocaust on your Plate" campaign without regard to Holocaust survivors, and giving children violent comics depicting their mothers as murderers?

And maybe I got it wrong with the pet thing? They do say that "all" animals have the right to be free from human uses, including those used in rodeos and for food, I assumed they meant "all", and not "all, except the ones we like to snuggle with".

[John Olexa]

I'm sorry, I consider any group that starts fires, destroys property, and otherwise does damage to be terrorists. I have a pet peeve against people who use the ends to justify the means. These things are still wrong, and ALF and ELF do these things. I'm sure they would be just as upset if, say, The Beef Farmer's Association was burning down vegetarian resturants, but still not actually harming anyone.

That being said, they also euthanize a huge amount of animals, and say that being a no kill shelter is just people being "naive". They take in millions and millions of dollars, which goes to what? Paying models to sit naked in cages, putting up billboards about murder victims and comparing them to pigs, lauching the horrifically offensive "Holocaust on your Plate" campaign without regard to Holocaust survivors, and giving children violent comics depicting their mothers as murderers?

And maybe I got it wrong with the pet thing? They do say that "all" animals have the right to be free from human uses, including those used in rodeos and for food, I assumed they meant "all", and not "all, except the ones we like to snuggle with".

no, we say " PETA believes that animals have rights and deserve to have their best interests taken into consideration, regardless of whether they are useful to humans. Like you, they are capable of suffering and have an interest in leading their own lives; therefore, they are not ours to use—for food, clothing, entertainment, experimentation, or any other reason.

If your going to say things say them right.

I still want to see proof of you saying PETA euthanize's animals... PETA is not a shelter!

the ALF & ELF does what ever it takes to save animals, Theres a big driffrence in burning down a vegetarian resturant and doing damage to places that harm animals. if you think burning down a lab that does cruel experimentations on dogs is being a terrorists, so be it. I don't. Not one single person ( if you can call someone that who hurt animals) has ever been hurt. But lots of animals have been saved!

PETA's President is a woman, and about 70 % of our membership is female
as the cage thing. It was singer Nellie McKay and she was not naked.

All & all though I do respect your opinion & your beliefs. I honestly understand what your saying about the ALF. I don't agree, but can understand. I have a almost a fanatical love for all animals, so I don't have a problem with saving animals & making sure they won't be able to hurt animals in the future, for a while anyway.

[John Olexa]

Recent PETA victories

http://www.peta.org/about/victories.asp

[Magnum]

PetPeever, I got an ear full yesterday on this person's feelings and frankly it was the same ol' same ol'. :rolleyes:

Regardless, I apologize for starting this thread. The only reason I started it was to vent my feelings because I was, and still am, upset over it. I just couldn't fathom how someone can show deep emotions for the welfare of animals, then turn their emotions off at the sound of an organization.

I did not start this thread to have PETA bashed!!!!!!!!!! :(

[John Olexa]

PetPeever, I got an ear full yesterday on this person's feelings and frankly it was the same ol' same ol'. :rolleyes:

Regardless, I apologize for starting this thread. The only reason I started it was to vent my feelings because I was, and still am, upset over it. I just couldn't fathom how someone can show deep emotions for the welfare of animals, then turn their emotions off at the sound of an organization.

I did not start this thread to have PETA bashed!!!!!!!!!! :(


It's ok theres not 800,000 members world wide for nothing
I really can't figure that either Mag. But oh well. I think the real trouble is people only see whats put on the news or read in the paper. so they don't get a real understanding of the compassionate PETA has for animal and that is why we do the things we do. I guess it's a little to far for some people.
You have nothing to apologize for,nobody does. all post have been done respectfully.

I just get worked up sometimes,. I know how hard I work to help save animals. Being on PETA's Activist Network.The long hours writing letters for PETA ( which is something I'm bad at) so it takes twice as long to make sure everythings spelled right.
I get email from HSUS asking to me to write to the Maryland representatives & senators asking to stop the next bear hunt. email from the ASPCA defenders of wildlife ect, ect, Only to get bad mouth by someone who don't understand everything that goes on behind the scenes. Ok Sorry LOL I'm done.
try showing this person the website, let them take there time and go over the whole site see whats there. www.peta.org

[John Olexa]

By the way John congradulations on getting this forum.

Thanks, petpeever :)

[kathyk214]

I totally understand why some people don't care to be a part of PETA. For when I was dealing with them it was unreal. I know there is a lot of things wrong with this world and alot could stand to be improved but I don't understand when a organization claims to help ALL animals thinks "it's the humane thing to do", when it comes to animal control being nothing but a slaughterhouse for cats.
I used to volunteer for this shelter and I know what goes on behind closed doors and it makes me sick. I had to quit cause I would not be a part of that in any way, shape or form. Now I am campaigning against this shelter to get rid of these guilty people for breaking city ordinances. And get some decent people to work for the city and animal control.
They did not want to support me and reprimanded me. I support alot of things they fight for but when it comes to something very close to my heart and they get sarcastic rather than helpful, it just shocked me.
The woman all but protected the cat killer at this shelter and said he was doing his job and leave him alone.
It is my position that I will not turn and look the other way when I see a crime take place...that would make me feel just as guilty as the one committing it.
I sure wouldn't refer to them (PETA) in any endeavor I take on.

[John Olexa]

Please give more detail about what your talking about.
By the way. How far back did you have to go to find this thread LOL

[forever_andi]

Recent PETA victories

http://www.peta.org/about/victories.asp

John~ about your iams link in your sig line, I need to speak to you about something I know you will be interested in, please email me at mommyszoo@mchsi.com, I can't figure out how to send you the message personally!

[John Olexa]

I totally understand why some people don't care to be a part of PETA. For when I was dealing with them it was unreal. I know there is a lot of things wrong with this world and alot could stand to be improved but I don't understand when a organization claims to help ALL animals thinks "it's the humane thing to do", when it comes to animal control being nothing but a slaughterhouse for cats.
I used to volunteer for this shelter and I know what goes on behind closed doors and it makes me sick. I had to quit cause I would not be a part of that in any way, shape or form. Now I am campaigning against this shelter to get rid of these guilty people for breaking city ordinances. And get some decent people to work for the city and animal control.
They did not want to support me and reprimanded me. I support alot of things they fight for but when it comes to something very close to my heart and they get sarcastic rather than helpful, it just shocked me.
The woman all but protected the cat killer at this shelter and said he was doing his job and leave him alone.


It is my position that I will not turn and look the other way when I see a crime take place...that would make me feel just as guilty as the one committing it.
I sure wouldn't refer to them (PETA) in any endeavor I take on.


Are you talking about the NC shelter?

[yorkiemom]

i'm not a major PETA fan either. i think they can be as fanatical about animals as pro-lifers can be fanatical about abortion. i think resorting to any form of violence and destruction in effort to do "what ever it takes to save animals" is wrong in my book. i think the good intention is there, but i may not always condone the method. so if i watched a video produced by PETA, i'd take it with a grain of salt. JMHO.

[John Olexa]

Why would you take it with a grain of salt?? Just like people say the Iams video is fake. Then how come IAMS never sued over it. Oh, they tried to have it blocked so it couldn't be showed.. but lost.

[John Olexa]

LMBO this thread is over a year old!

[yorkiemom]

i'd take it with a grain of salt just like any information disseminated by a group that is as fanatically passionate about their cause such that they are willing to do "whatever it takes" to further the cause. not just peta. this is just my humble opinion. although it doesn't mean that i think everything is fabricated. but i just don't think there's such thing as "the untainted truth" produced by an organization that is so bias.

is this thread 1 year old??? just goes to show, this is as hot a topic now as it was then. :)

[John Olexa]

IAMS experiments
Below are brief summaries of the IAMS animal experiments:

1. 28 CATS' BELLIES WERE CUT TO SEE THE EFFECT OF FEEDING THEM FIBRE, THEN THE CATS WERE KILLED
University of Nebraska-Lincoln and The Iams Company. (AR Bueno, GD Sunvold & GA Reinhart (both IAMS CO.) et al., "Feline colonic microbes and fatty acid transport: effects of feeding cellulose, beet pulp and pectin/gum arabic fibers", Nutrition Research, Vol 20, No.9: 1319-1328 (2000).)
2. 24 YOUNG DOGS WERE INTENTIONALLY PUT INTO KIDNEY FAILURE; SUBJECTED TO INVASIVE EXPERIMENTATION, THEN KILLED
University of Georgia and The Iams Company. (JV White, DA Hirakawa (IAMS CO.) et al., "Effect of dietary protein on functional, morphologic, and histologic changes of the kidney during compensatory renal growth in dogs", Am J Vet Res, Vol 52, No.8, August 1991: 1357-1365.)
3. 31 DOGS' KIDNEYS WERE REMOVED TO INCREASE THE RISK OF KIDNEY DISEASE, THEN THEY WERE KILLED AND DISSECTED
University of Georgia and The Iams Company. (Delmar R Finco, Daniel P Carey (IAMS CO.), Diane A Hirakawa (IAMS CO.) et al., "Effects of aging and dietary protein intake on uninephrectomized geriatric dogs", Am J vet Res, Vol 55, No.9, September 1994: 1282-1290.)
4. BONES IN 18 DOGS' FRONT AND BACK LEGS WERE CUT OUT AND STRESSED UNTIL THEY BROKE
University of Wisconsin and The Iams Company. (Thomas D Crenshaw, Allan J Lepine (IAMS CO.) et al., "Nutritional Effects on Bone Strength in the Growing Canine", Proceedings of the 1998 Iams Nutrition Symposium: 29-40.)
5. 10 DOGS WERE KILLED TO STUDY THE EFFECT OF FIBER IN DIETS
Mississippi State University and The Iams Company. (Randal K Buddington, Greg D Sunvold (IAMS CO.) et al., "Influence of fermentable fiber on small intestinal dimensions and transport of glucose and proline in dogs", AJVR, Vol 60, No.3, March 1999: 354-358.)
6. 18 MALE PUPPIES' KIDNEYS WERE CHEMICALLY DAMAGED; EXPERIMENTAL DIETS WERE FED; TUBES WERE INSERTED IN THEIR PENISES, THEN THE PUPPIES WERE KILLED
Colorado State University and The Iams Company. (Gregory F Grauer, Gregory A Reinhart (IAMS CO.) et al., "Effects of dietary n-3 fatty acid supplementation versus thromboxane synthetase inhibition on gentamicin-induced nephrotoxicosis in healthy male dogs", AJVR, Vol 57, No.6, June 1996: 948-956.)
7. 8 DOGS' KIDNEYS WERE REMOVED TO STUDY THE EFFECT OF PROTEIN ON RECOVERY FROM KIDNEY REMOVAL
University of Georgia and The Iams Company. (JV White, DA Hirakawa (IAMS CO.) et al., "High dietary protein intake does not accelerate development of renal lesions during recovery from renal mass reduction in dogs", ACVIM Abstracts, Vol 3 No 2, p.131)
8. 28 CATS WERE SURGICALLY FORCED INTO KIDNEY FAILURE AND EITHER DIED DURING THE EXPERIMENT OR WERE KILLED TO STUDY THE EFFECTS OF PROTEIN
University of Georgia and The Iams Company. Delmar R Finco, Gregory D. Sunvold (IAMS CO.) et al., "Influence of Protein and Energy in Cats with Renal Failure", Proceedings of the 1998 Iams Nutrition Symposium: 413-424.)
9. 15 DOGS' BELLIES WERE CUT OPEN; TUBES WERE ATTACHED TO THEIR INTESTINES, THE CONTENTS OF WHICH WERE PUMPED OUT EVERY 10 MINUTES FOR TWO HOURS, THEN THE DOGS WERE KILLED
University of Nebraska-Lincoln and The Iams Company. (JE Hallman, GA Reinhart (IAMS CO.) et al., "Colonic mucosal tissue energetics and electrolyte transport in dogs fed cellulose, beet pulp or pectin/gum arabic as their primary fiber source", Nutrition Research, Vol 16, No.2: 303-313 (1996).)
10. 16 DOGS' BELLIES WERE CUT OPEN AND PARTS OF THEIR INTESTINES TAKEN
University of Alberta and The Iams Company. (Stefan P Massimino, Michael G Hayek (IAMS CO.), Gregory D Sunvold (IAMS CO.) et al., "Fermentable Dietary Fiber Increases GLP-1 Secretion and Improves Glucose Homeostasis Despite Increased Glucose Transport Capacity in Healthy Dogs", Journal of the American Society for Nutritional Sciences: 1786-1793 (1998).)
11. HEALTHY PUPPIES, CHICKS, AND RATS HAD BONE AND CARTILAGE REMOVED TO STUDY BONE AND JOINT DEVELOPMENT
Purdue University and The Iams Company. (Bruce A Watkins, Allan J Lepine (IAMS CO.), C. Gregory Aldrich (IAMS CO.), Michael G Hayek (IAMS CO.), et al., "Relationships of Fat Quality and Antioxidants in Bone and Cartilage", Proceedings of the 2000 Iams Nutrition Symposium: 505-514.)
12. INVASIVE PROCEDURES WERE USED TO STUDY BACTERIA IN 16 DOGS' INTESTINES
Texas A&M University and The Iams Company. (MD Willard, G Reinhart (IAMS CO.), et al., "Effects of dietary supplementation of fructo-oligosaccharides on small intestinal bacterial overgrowth in dogs", Am J Vet Res, Vol 55, No.5, May 1994: 654-659.)
13. 24 CATS HAD THEIR FEMALE ORGANS AND PARTS OF THEIR LIVERS REMOVED; WERE MADE OBESE, THEN WERE STARVED
University of Kentucky and The Iams Company. (Wissam H Ibrahim, Gregory D Sunvold (IAMS CO.) et al., "Effect of dietary protein quality and fatty acid composition on plasma lipoprotein concentrations and hepatic triglyceride fatty acid synthesis in obese cats undergoing rapid weight loss", AJVR, Vol 61, No.5, May 2000: 566-572.)
14. 56 DOGS HAD THEIR FEMALE ORGANS REMOVED TO STUDY BETA CAROTENE
Washington State University and The Iams Company. (BC Weng, AJ Lepine (IAMS CO.), et al., "Beta-Carotene uptake and changes in ovarian steroids and uterine proteins during the estrous cycle in the canine", J. Anim. Sci. 2000. 78:1284-1290.)
15. 16 DOGS' BELLIES WERE REPEATEDLY CUT TO TAKE PARTS OF THEIR INTESTINES
Texas A&M and The Iams Company. (MD Willard, DP Carey (IAMS CO.), GA Reinhart (IAMS CO.) et al., "Characterization of naturally developing small intestinal bacterial overgrowth in 16 German Shepherd Dogs", JAVMA, Vol 204, No. 8, April 15, 1994: 1201-1206.)
16. 6 DOGS HAD TUBES IMPLANTED INTO THEIR INTESTINES AND FLUID DRAINED REPEATEDLY TO STUDY CEREAL FLOURS
University of Illinois and The Iams Company. (SM Murray, GD Sun

[John Olexa]

yeah befor kathy posted a little while ago the last reply was in Feb of 05 LOL
She had to dig WAY back to find this one

[John Olexa]

You call us extremists. Thank you. It is important to understand how this label is used as a rhetorical tool to prevent informed, fair discussion. Otherwise we won't have an informed fair discussion.
"Extremists" and "extremism" are ambiguous words. In one sense, extremists are people who will do anything to further their objectives, the people who destroyed the World trade Center were extremists in this sense; they were willing to go to any lengths to further their ends even if it meant killing many innocent people.
Animal rights advocates are not extremists in this sense. We believe there are moral limits to what can be done in the name of animal rights, acts that should never be done, because they are so bad. For example, we oppose hunting let alone killing human beings.
In another sense, the word extremist refers to the unqualified nature of what people believe. In this sense animal rights advocates are extremists. Animal rights advocates really do believe it is always wrong to torture and experiment on animals for human profit. But in this sense everyone is an extremist. Why? B ecause there are some things all of us (hopefully) oppose unqualifiedly. For example, everyone is an extremist when it comes to rape, we are against rape all of the time. Each of us is an extremist when it comes to child abuse, we are against child abuse all the time. The fact is that extreme views are sometimes correct views.
So the question to be examined is not "Are animal rights advocates extremists?" It is "Are we right?" This question is hardly ever fairly asked due to wealthy powerful special interests

[yorkiemom]

like i said, i think the intentions of peta is good. but the methods may not be. "just cause" doesn't justify reactions with violence.

uh... i just looked at the month/day didn't even look at year. thought this was 2 months old, not 1 year and 2 months old. haha.

[John Olexa]

LOL yeah kathy was doing some digging!
But please don't confuse PETA with the ALF when you talk about violence.

Yes I am a former member of the ALF & yes I have broken the law rescuing animals ( dogs) in my case. But that had nothing to do with PETA.
PETA's president is a former Maryland State Trooper!

[rosemary]

John,
I think where most people get their information about PETA comes from the news which has to show the extreme members of PETA to get good airtime. You seem to be a rather intelligent and caring person who is trying to make a difference. I personally don't think it is right to burn any property since fires can get out of hand and it is against the law. I think it is better to hit companies in the pocketbook with boycott's which will make the ceo's take notice. There are people like Pamela Anderson and Paul Mc Cartney who lead nonviolent yet carefully staged events that make most people take notice without turning them off with violence. I am in sales and if you ask some nonthreatening open ended questions you may be able to find out from this person what turned him off to PETA and relay that information back to the main office. Good luck with your quest for those who have no voice but remember to find legal ways to acheive your objectives.
Regards,
Rose

[yorkiemom]

she certainly dug up a hot potato! it's interesting tho. it's always good learn more about something and different point of views. even if i disagree, i can respect that.

so even though peta doesn't actually commit the acts of violence, that alf is the actual violent one, but the language on peta's own website, equating ALF to the Underground Railroad and the French Resistance, touting how ALF's efforts and methods have help PETA gather proof, gives the impression that PETA approves and supports ALF's activities. so it seems to me that although PETA doesn't light the fire, they're not opposed to and will sometimes buy the matches.

[John Olexa]

Unfortuantly, there is no law against animals in labs, so they will continue to be cut,shocked, poked and lord knows what else. PETA is the only ORG. that finds out these things like Iams or Covance! you want to see pics? I'll show you pic's!

Everybody has a right to believe what they like & don't like. People don't like PETA I could care less. I just hate it when people make accusations with no facts to back it up.

[John Olexa]

John,
I think where most people get their information about PETA comes from the news which has to show the extreme members of PETA to get good airtime. You seem to be a rather intelligent and caring person who is trying to make a difference. I Good luck with your quest for those who have no voice but remember to find legal ways to acheive your objectives.
Regards,
Rose


Caring, YES with animals, could care less about 98% of humans
Intelligent? well....... not to sure about that LOL

I understand what your saying . But sometimes you can't always to things the legal way. Sometimes you just can't wait that long. I know one time a dog would have died! if we waited to do it "the legel" way. today that dog is fat, happy and in a great home. :)

[kathyk214]

LOL, yes...I have been a busy bee but when I read this I just had to reply. I just had a bad experience with them in my hour of need. No, this is in Central Texas.
It is so nice to see I woke the neighborhood up...LOL
kat
www.freewebs.com/kathyk214