your oppinion on hunting!

[iLuVpEtS]

Just wondering everyones oppinion on hunting... I have a poll above, please read and vote..Thanks

[Sasami]

I think that if you're starving and have no other choice but to hunt for food, then it's ok (though this is pretty rare in the US). But hunting for sport is just plain cruel.

[iLuVpEtS]

I agree...But I could NEVER do it. So I did say I disagree with hunting all togather, but if you are hungry and have guts to do it, then I don't want to see but go right ahead...LOL

[Millimi]

I agree with hunting only if you are starved and need food to survive. I hate it when people do it for showing they are stronger and the likes and also if you don't need the food then don't kill the animal. :)

[lovielover]

I agree if you are STARVING like dying, but for fun its just sick :(

[John Olexa]

if your starving theres pleny of veggies to eat.

I can't put into words my hate for hunting

[amanda622]

I think that if you're starving and have no other choice but to hunt for food, then it's ok (though this is pretty rare in the US). But hunting for sport is just plain cruel.


totally agree 10 trillion %

[amanda622]

if your starving theres pleny of veggies to eat.

I can't put into words my hate for hunting


very true ^^^^^^^^^

[John Olexa]

if your starving theres plenty of vegetables to eat.
You can hunt a potato, corn, beans, fruit so on LOL. Point is if your starving save the money you would use to buy a shotgun, shells, license, vest ect ect. that would buy lots of food ;)

[Millimi]

What I meant is that if for some random reason you were stuck on a deserted island with only animals as the source of food and you had to use a wooden stick to hunt then I guess it's okay. But good points about the veggies and money. I'm going to hunt my midnight snack now. Cereal or chocolate? Spoon or hands? :p

[John Olexa]

Cereal, (with soy milk of course ;) use a spoon milk with leak thourgh your fingers

[John Olexa]

What I meant is that if for some random reason you were stuck on a deserted island with only animals as the source of food and you had to use a wooden stick to hunt then I guess it's okay. But good points about the veggies and money. I'm going to hunt my midnight snack now. Cereal or chocolate? Spoon or hands? :p

if you were on a deserted island with only animals, what would the animals be living off of? LOL at least the herbivores :D ummmmmmm

just kidding

[Suzy03]

I wish I knew a deserted island in the world now that noone had discovered, I'd go to it. There are no deserted islands in the world anymore. They have all been found and refound by all the adverture gurus out there now. That's why hunting is really a sport now, not a I have to hunt to get food thing anymore. The only kind of hunting I see anymore where they have to hunt for food is deep in the jungles of whooleywhere, people are still primitive and carry around spears and slingshots to hunt with and wear leaves to cover their groins and the women still go around with their breasts hanging out and down. You've seen some of the documentaries haven't you? Oh well, I wouldn't be able to hunt anyway, only the men hunt, and you see the women squatted down kneeding corn millet on a stone with a rock. I just wouldn't last long without toilet paper either. :p

[Suzy03]

Cereal, (with soy milk of course ;) use a spoon milk with leak thourgh your fingers
Use a spoon milk with leak throurgh your fingers? HEEHEE, you funny John, John! :D

[draper]

I believe that hunting is okay to help keep the animal population down to avoid them from dying of disease or starvation - as long as what you kill is eaten, otherwise it is wrong to let that food go to waste when there are so many starving people in the world. Trophy hunting is just plain wrong - reguardless if they eat the meat or not.

Myself, I wouldn't be able to kill an animal unless there was no food in my cupboards and I was unable to get veggies, and none of my friends or family had food....you get the picture.

[Shockadine]

I don't want to sound like the bad guy, but I do believe in hunting for food. I don't believe in trophy hunting. I don't think they should be coats or rugs or have their heads hung on the wall for your own selfish desires.

I don't want to start trouble, but to all the people that said they wouldn't hunt unless they were starving, do any of you eat meat? I think the animals that were killed for your meat at the store suffered a lot more than the animal that took a gun shot. Unless you are just refering to not being able to kill the animal yourself. That I understand. I could never personally kill anything.

[Kalisandra]

I don't want to sound like the bad guy, but I do believe in hunting for food. I don't believe in trophy hunting.
I wholeheartedly agree. I LOVE venison, cold smoked chinook salmon, halibut, [kodiak] bear, duck, crab, shrimp, and sometimes I even enjoy fresh pollack. :D

Kali

[John Olexa]

I don't want to start trouble, but to all the people that said they wouldn't hunt unless they were starving, do any of you eat meat?

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[iLuVpEtS]

Kalisandra: GROSSSSSSS!!!! I eat beef ONLY (well terkey in thanksgiving) but it is because my docter said I had to eat meat for protene...Not because I want to. But strangly enough, because I HAVE to eat it, the only way I can eat beef is rare...Seems rong uh? Well, I see we have a little argument thingy going on here, and I am NOT in it. I got kikked off another board for arguing about huntng...I HATE IT!!! But I don't know how I can choke down beef with out thinking of a sweet little cow face, but eating anything else (I HAVE NOT!!!) I think about there face...:( I have been offord EVERYTHING but only eaten beef mostly, sometimes chicken, once a year turkey. And for every animal I eat I rescue 100 more! I hope knowone hates me know that you know I eat meat...PLEASE don't hate me :(

[John Olexa]

Kalisandra: GROSSSSSSS!!!! I eat beef ONLY (well terkey in thanksgiving) but it is because my docter said I had to eat meat for protene...Not because I want to. But strangly enough, because I HAVE to eat it, the only way I can eat beef is rare...Seems rong uh? Well, I see we have a little argument thingy going on here, and I am NOT in it. I got kikked off another board for arguing about huntng...I HATE IT!!! But I don't know how I can choke down beef with out thinking of a sweet little cow face, but eating anything else (I HAVE NOT!!!) I think about there face...:( I have been offord EVERYTHING but only eaten beef mostly, sometimes chicken, once a year turkey. And for every animal I eat I rescue 100 more! I hope knowone hates me know that you know I eat meat...PLEASE don't hate me :(

Heck no, your cool It's a good bet I'm the the only Vagan here, LOL
But just so you know, I would find a new doc.! theres healther ways to get the protein you need, beef is just a easy way... 'cept for the cow... But hey Like I said this is petlovers site not an animal activist site. I'm a Vagan but no one here has seen me preach! But don't forget some Countrys LOVE dog as food & horse meat if popular too.

[lovielover]

I believe that hunting is okay to help keep the animal population down to avoid them from dying of disease or starvation - as long as what you kill is eaten, otherwise it is wrong to let that food go to waste when there are so many starving people in the world. Trophy hunting is just plain wrong - reguardless if they eat the meat or not.

Myself, I wouldn't be able to kill an animal unless there was no food in my cupboards and I was unable to get veggies, and none of my friends or family had food....you get the picture.

I get the picture :D and agree, but I could never do the hunting myself :(

[horsefeather]

please dont hate me but i believe not only in hunting for food but also "necessary" hunting. the area of pittsburgh i live in, the wild animal population is so large that animals are starving to death. not too long ago, my neighbor found a dead deer in her yard--all skin and bones. she called me over and she was appalled that the population was so huge that animals are suffering. i agreed with her. the county has allowed hunting in this area to thin out the population so there is enough food for all the deer.
we get all angry and up in arms over skinny pets but there are wild things out there that need help too. after seeing that poor skinny deer, would rather see a deer be shot and eaten than starve to death. atleast the hunter makes the inevitable quicker.

i agree that if your gonna hunt something, throw the meat away and nail its head to the wall not only is that mean but its just gross.

[ChihuahuaCat]

I don't really care what anybody thinks about me but I love to eat meat. I agree that it is wrong to hunt for sport and fun. But animals were put on this earth for us to raise then eat.(I would NEVER eat a dog, cat, rabbit...) But I love chicken and beef.

[horsefeather]

chihuahua, i dont think animals were put on this planet for us to eat, but i understand what your saying.

i personally eat alot of chicken though.

[John Olexa]

Never mind. I just deleated what I said LOL

[bridgett81]

Draper, you are right. The doe population is significantly higher than the buck population...in order to keep the species thriving we have to cut down on the does! Think of how many times deer get hit on highways and such! All in all there are way too many deer out there. Disagree with me if you wish, but my family is a hunting family. My boyfriend is a HUGE hunter. We eat ALL the meat. Sure, he mounts the big bucks he has killed, but no meat is wasted. Deer is much healthier than beef. They aren't suffering, and it is helping out with the population. Get mad because it's a living thing, but don't forget, plants are living things too! They may not have souls or whatever. I am totally against people who kill just to kill and leave the animal to suffer. No one in my group wastes any meat. We give a lot of it to a very very poor family that has 6 children. So, again, it is not for the sport of it, we just like deer meat, and we are helping this family too! BTW horsefeather, you hit the nail on the head!!! Way too many wild animals.

[John Olexa]

"Beef, its whats rotting in your colon" :eek:

I did find out from someone that there are pills you can take for this. But I don't have to worry about it.

[Magnum]

"Beef, its whats rotting in your colon" :eek:
LOL.......You crack me up John. ;)
I did find out from someone that there are pills you can take for this. But I don't have to worry about it.
Have you done any research on this pill? I wonder if it breaks down the meat faster while in the stomach or small intestine.

[John Olexa]

I just heard about it, never checked, doesn't matter to me.

But just learn one thing. If you click the number (votes) you can see the names of the people that voted for that choise . LOL

[Sasami]

I don't want to start trouble, but to all the people that said they wouldn't hunt unless they were starving, do any of you eat meat?

Nope, I don't eat meat.

['too crazy]

What I hate most about hunting, is the animal gets hit with a bullet or arrow and takes off running. How long does it suffer before it dies? What if it doesn't die right away and it sufferes a few days before it dies. Here in MI we also have an over population of deer...or is it the population of people run over into the deer's territory?

[Magnum]

What I hate most about hunting, is the animal gets hit with a bullet or arrow and takes off running. How long does it suffer before it dies? What if it doesn't die right away and it sufferes a few days before it dies. Here in MI we also have an over population of deer...or is it the population of people run over into the deer's territory?

I agree 'Too! They say there is an overpopulation here, but I have not seen a deer in several weeks, and I live in the country. They extended the hunting season this year because of this claim and I can't see why. The only deer I see on a regular basis are during the hunting season. Hunters flush them out of their territory and the deer are forced to cross major roads to only get hit by vehicles. :mad: We had a dead deer on our property last year that ran off after being shot. We were left with the having to bury it, and it was so sad knowing it suffered. :(

[John Olexa]

Here in MI we also have an over population of deer...or is it the population of people run over into the deer's territory?


Mostly, It's the latter :rolleyes:

[John Olexa]

My kind of people ;) Could use them here in the states :)

http://www.nwhsa.org.uk/

[Kalisandra]

My kind of people. We could use them here in the states: North West Hunt Sabotuers (http://www.nwhsa.org.uk/) Do we even have 'sport' hunting like this in the US? I thought it was an european thing...

JMO: Why on earth do people call this sort of thing: 'Hunting'? It's just sick: They get dogs to run down helpless little rabbits, (& foxes) and they follow on a horse. :mad: Crap like this makes me think the people who participate are just savages!

And cockfighting don't get me started on that so called 'sport'!

Kali

[John Olexa]

Do we even have 'sport' hunting like this in the US? I thought it was an european thing...

JMO: Why on earth do people call this sort of thing: 'Hunting'? It's just sick: They get dogs to run down helpless little rabbits, (& foxes) and they follow on a horse. :mad: Crap like this makes me think the people who participate are just savages!

And cockfighting don't get me started on that so called 'sport'!

Kali

I know.... :o at first I though you were asking me you said JMO: Just My Opinion....... that also my name John M. Olexa LMBO!

[Suzy03]

Alright, Alright, could everyone please get off this hunting, I'm tired of hearin about it.... How about everyone's opinion on grunting. :p

[denny]

dont need it myself.

but on a more serious note.we`ve whiped out the preditors to the point that pray animals run rampant.it causes much suffering in the animal world.
now if you take man out of the equasion the population will become dangerous with disease and overstressed animals.
ive killed,cleaned and eaten chicken just to justify my meat eatting habits.i felt if i couldnt do it myself i had no business eatting meat.

also.NO on trophy hunting!
discussting!

[Onion]

hunting=disgusting---why must humans hunt animals?? why are htey allowed? why cant a human hunt another human yet an animal? animals have families too!

[JustJo]

I do not believe in hunting for sport OR for food is you have food available to you. If there was a catastrophic famine, war, you get lost for weeks in the woods, etc....then I would believe it is okay to hunt for food in order to survive. I wouldn't have the first idea how to go about it, but I would try to survive.

[PatchO'Pits]

I don't think I'd be able to do it unless it was a life or death situation for me. Even then I don't know if I could. I'm very senastive to animals and know they feel things just like us.

My dad hunts, but also eats whatever he kills and tries to use the skins and also the bones & not waste. He tries to make it as pain free as possible.
I'm comfortable in the way he does it, as I know he loves animals and is not just doing it because he can. He is utilizing the animal. I feel what he does is actually more humane then what is done to get us the meat most of us have on our dinner tables

[PetFlare.com]

Hello Pet Lovers,
I am glad to see so many people got involved with this online vote.

I disagree with hunting as well.

[mousegeek000]

As always I have to put my $.02 in. I agree with hunting as long as the animal is eaten and not just shot for sport. I love meat beef, chicken, pork, turkey, venison it is all good (cooked medium well of course :)) I guess it is the way I grew up where I was raised Heck I dunno. I hate to see people shooting rabbits, raccons, ect. because they dont' eat them (welll I think some eat rabbit YUCK) But something has to be done about the wild animals. I cannot even tell you how many 'coons I hit with my car last spring/summer. I try not to but sometimes you can't help it. Anyway to stop babbling YES i agree with hunting as long as the animals is used for food and not killed for game/sport.

[HurdyBirdy]

The doe population is significantly higher than the buck population...in order to keep the species thriving we have to cut down on the does! ... My boyfriend is a HUGE hunter. We eat ALL the meat. Sure, he mounts the big bucks he has killed, Why kill the bucks if the main concern is to keep the population down by hunting the does?

[PetFlare.com]

I can not justify murdering animals or people. Hunters hunt for the sport. Maybe because they do not really value life. I value all life, EQUALLY. I do not think I am better then anybody or any animal. Therefore, murdering an animal is just not OK will me. NO MATTER HOW YOU CARE TO JUSTIFY IT TO YOURSELF. Hunters would have to justify it some how. How else are they going to sleep at night? There is nooooo need to hunt.
That's my opinion

[John Olexa]

Ok I deleated this once, but I can't help it!!
Hunting sucks!!.... hunters suck!!!!

[cowgirl103]

I understand people hunting.
Mainly because I'm from Kentucky and around here we have major problems with overpopulation. We have wrecks a whole lot because deers will jump out in front of you.
I would never personally shoot an animal(sometimes i watch them when they're eating from our apple tree!) but somebody has to do it or else a lot of people would be killed.

[Pepsidoodle]

Okay I live in redneck land USA-saaalute!! We have a tenent whom owns guns, rifles, bows, knives and the only thing he wears outside of work is @#**#!cammoflage. He has a 16 year old son who is following right in his footsteps. The kid probably would shoot anything that moves. They have no regard for animals wild or tame. It makes me sick. I had to block the hunting channel from our cable. To watch these uneducated morons say "duh oops I meant to get her in the heart, I missed, guess I will just mosey out there and see if she is movin'". STUPID STUPID STUPID. I believe animals have more of a right to be here than we do. I agree with JustJo...your starving, eat a dam potato. I hope I don't offend anyone. Just had to blow off some rage. Thanks

[iLuVpEtS]

I agree!!!

[Python]

im not going to put my 2 cents in this

[kwitty]

Cowgirl103, I'm also from Kentucky, but I do not like hunting, I don't agree with it, nor do I understand it.

[blueberrybun]

Personally, if you are going to eat meat I prefer hunting. Either that or eating organic, free-range. The animals that you hunt have lived their lives the way that they want to and have been free animals. They do not know what is coming for them. As far as animals being raised commercially, well the website www.factoryfarming.com explains it well. As far as hunting for sport and not eating, I am not okay with it. At all. But if you kill a large buck, and you eat it and make it worth the kill then I have no problem with mounting his head on your wall. The kill was still justified from the sheer fact that you were able to use the rest.

By the way, although I do eat meat, I still respect the vegetarians and vegans out there. I have been dating one for the past 4 1/2 years! :)

[FFstpay02]

I used to have a friend that was a hardcore animal activist and vegetarian. We talked about hunting once and she said that she would rather starve to death than use any type of animal to feed herself. And she was serious, she would take her own life before taking an animal's. Does anyone think this is extreme?

[blueberrybun]

Very. That is cool that she does not want to kill the animal, but to take your own life over the animals is pretty determined.

[Python]

We use all the meat when we kill a deer or what ever.. But just killing it for the head is wrong and not using the rest od the body.. But hey people are like that and you cant stop them =\.. But anyways im out

[NiteRose]

In this day and age, I just don’t see the point/need for it. I also do not understand how people can justify hunting as a sport, when there is absolutely nothing sportsman like in sneaking up on an animal and shooting it with a gun :confused:

[Python]

In this day and age, I just don’t see the point/need for it. I also do not understand how people can justify hunting as a sport, when there is absolutely nothing sportsman like in sneaking up on an animal and shooting it with a gun :confused:


http://www.google.com Is your best friend do a search on hunting.

[Python]

People have been hunting for a long, long time, certainly since the Old Stone Age, about 40,000 BC. Of course the exact animals that are hunted are different in different places, depending on the environment. But the main hunting techniques did not change very much from the Stone Age right through the Middle Ages.
There were really two kinds of hunting. The older kind was hunting for survival, hunting for food. When people went hunting for food they didn't worry about being sporting, they just caught as many animals as they could in the easiest way. One way to catch birds, for instance, was to put sticky lime on the branches of a bush, and then put seeds and things birds like to eat on the branches. When birds landed there they would get stuck, and then people came and threw nets over them and caught them.
Rabbits, squirrels, and other small animals were also usually caught in traps and snares, or in nets.



Cluny Museum, Paris
The other kind of hunting was hunting for sport, as a sort of dangerous thrill. This kind of hunting was basically something rich people did to show that they were rich, like going on safari today. Sport hunting, after the Early Bronze Age when horses came to the Mediterranean, was mostly done on horseback, with bows and arrows or with spears and nets, and with dogs. You hunted deer, or boar (wild pigs). You did eat the meat after you killed it, but if all you wanted was dinner there were easier ways to go about it.

In West Asia, there was also a tradition of ritual lion hunting for the king. In Western Europe in the Middle Ages, kings kept whole forests for their own private hunting use: Fontainebleau in France, or Sherwood Forest in England (of Robin Hood fame).

[NiteRose]

Sorry, maybe that went over my head, but why would I do a google search on hunting?

[Python]

Sorry, maybe that went over my head, but why would I do a google search on hunting?


So you can get the history on hunting.. Wich seems some people dont know the history of it:)

[Python]

The killing and eating of other species are time-honored human practices, but for a growing number of people, carnivory is murder.

Civilization arose by slavery and is perpetuated by mass torture and murder, asserts Elizabeth Costello, protagonist of J.M. Coetzee's provocative novella The Lives of Animals. For her, virtually all humans can be seen as complicit in crimes of unimaginable magnitude.

Costello, who is a novelist, is obsessed with our treatment of animals--the way we cage, kill, and eat them; subject them to medical experimentation; and rear them by the millions expressly for these vile purposes. In her world, animals should possess the same rights we accord humans. To eat a steak is nothing other than homicidal cannibalism.

However, without the domestication of large animals (enslavement, Costello would call it), which provided a constant food supply and helped us to till the recalcitrant earth, large-scale agriculture could not have arisen. It is agriculture that liberated us from full-time foraging, thereby giving us the leisure to invent writing, sophisticated technology, and the arts.

Meat eating may not merely have helped create civilization. Craig B. Stanford, in The Hunting Apes, argues that it may have created humankind, in that the politics of meat (i.e., murdered animal) sharing may represent "the essential recipe for the expansion of the human brain." He lucidly outlines the history of meat eating among the great apes, pointing out that, from the best available evidence, ancestral humans more actively hunted--and more eagerly consumed--meat than did any of the extant great apes. He describes the distinctive social organization of each ape species and traces the biological history of humans--from the time, about six million years ago, when we and the line that produced modern chimpanzees and bonobos diverged from our common ancestor, to the evolution of our upright posture and, much later, our large brains. Such a hypothesis replaces the previously prevailing notion that attributes our humanity to the mental abilities required for males to track down and slay prey. Today it is more politically palatable and biologically sensible to reframe the question in a way that doesn't exclude from the evolutionary picture the female half of our species. And there are doubtless other plausible hypotheses--for example, those invoking me complex demands of prolonged care of children.
Given that killing and using other species for our own selfish ends has such a long and influential history, how seriously should we take the attitude of Coetzee's Elizabeth Costello? Instead of delivering the 1997-98 Tanner Lectures at Princeton University, as he had been asked to do, the famously elusive Coetzee presented a fictional work about a novelist giving invited lectures. The work was later published with commentaries by five other authors: a political scientist, a literary critic, a religion scholar, an animal rights philosopher, and a biological anthropologist. Yet some of these responses are frustratingly indirect: philosopher Peter Singer mimics Coetzee by constructing his own fictionalized response, and literary critic Marjorie Garber opines that the real subject at hand might be our treatment of novelists. It's hard to tell whose tongue is in whose cheek.

Coetzee does raise the very important issue of whether animals deserve the same rights as humans. If we take that argument seriously, where do we draw the line? If a chimpanzee should have such rights, what about a dog, a mouse, a lobster, a flea, a flatworm, or a sponge? This argument has more than philosophical implications now that a few animal rights extremists have begun to physically threaten some researchers.

The rationale for this kind of extremism has much to do with the mental qualities we supposedly share with the animals--qualities such as self-awareness and the ability to form deep emotional attachments. But where do we draw such lines among animals? Ants routinely sacrifice their lives for their relatives. Is this not a sign of deep emotional attachment? But I've heard of no ants' rights movements. Honeybees communicate symbolically. Is this not a sign of linguistic capacity? Are we to make these strong moral judgments based on issues as fundamentally unknowable as what goes on in the minds of other species?

This is not to say that there are not some good reasons to eschew meat eating. For one thing, diets rich in fruits and vegetables and low in animal fat make good sense medically. For another, people might reasonably object to specific methods for the mass rearing and mass slaughter of animals. But these objections fall short of condemning altogether the killing or exploitation of other species, and this position often leads us down the slippery slope toward hypocrisy. Do we refuse to wear leather or wool? Do we allow our children to die rather than be immunized with vaccines developed by experimentation on rodents?

Probably a major reason I feel no compunctions about the human use of other species is that, as a biologist, I take distinctions between species seriously. I am keenly aware of the ubiquity of predation and parasitism in the natural world. Life lives on life, and whether or not that life is photosynthetic strikes me as a capricious distinction. Are some animal species morally inferior to others because their digestive systems process meat?

I justify my meat eating by tradition. As Craig Stanford's book makes abundantly clear, my ancestors have been killing and eating meat for more than 5 million years. What kind of egotist would it take to break a tradition like that?

[NiteRose]

Ahh, yes sorry, now I see your other post. I am not talking about hunting ages ago, as your post described.

My post was about this time period. We will not starve to death if we do not hunt, and as I said, I see nothing sportsman like about shooting an animal with a gun.

[Python]

Ahh, yes sorry, now I see your other post. I am not talking about hunting ages ago, as your post described.

My post was about this time period. We will not starve to death if we do not hunt, and as I said, I see nothing sportsman like about shooting an animal with a gun.

Did you know people still live like that in the old days?..

And people made it a sport a long long time ago and we cant do anything to change it.

And did you know that deer meat is way better than beef,pork,chicken?

So yeah hunting is not going to go away.

[John Olexa]

did you know that deer meat is way better than beef,pork,chicken?


Not to sure it's better for you then chicken , But I know it's Not when it comes to artery clogging cholesterol . All meat has it.


If you click on the "number" of the results. You can see who voted for what. ie click number 3 for the people who voted " I agree all together with hunting" and it will show everybodys vote LOL.

[Python]

Not to sure it's better for you then chicken , But I know it's Not when it comes to artery clogging cholesterol . All meat has it.


If you click on the "number" of the results. You can see who voted for what. ie click number 3 for the people who voted " I agree all together with hunting" and it will show everybodys vote LOL.

Ive been eating meat all my life.. And i havent had any health problems.

[John Olexa]

I know, but most heart attacks & strokes happen later in life after the walls of the arteries clog with cholesterol. it don't happen overnight & lots of times theres no warning. Your young enough that it's not a problem.. yet. and hopefully never will be. This is not me preaching about being veggie, I don't do that. this is scientific proof. Ask any doctor. To much meat is not healthy.

[Magnum]

I know, but most heart attacks & strokes happen later in life after the walls of the arteries clog with cholesterol. it don't happen overnight & lots of times theres no warning. Your young enough that it's not a problem.. yet. and hopfully never will be. This is not me preaching about being veggie, I don't do that. this is scientific proof. Ask any doctor. To much meat is not healthy.
I agree with John.;)

[guiness]

I dont believe in hunting either.Its a barbaric,cruel,unethical passtime.Cant really call it a sport IMO.:(

[Kalisandra]

..."Coetzee does raise the very important issue of whether animals deserve the same rights as humans..." It has always sruck me as hyopcritical the way animal-rights extremists see a human animal hunting another animal for food, and a non-human animal hunting an animal as completely different. Are they both not the same thing? Where exactly is this supposed distiction?

Those type of activists never try and explain why they believe a human who hunts for food is so unnatural, but a tiger, lion, or wolf who hunts for their food is natural. Isn't it the same when the lion pride kills, and feeds on a gazelle, and a human hunts to feed their family? After all the human is feeding their family in the same manner as the lion. Therefor how can one be murder, and wrong while the other is considered natural and 'right'?

[John Olexa]

People don't NEED to hunt to survive, animals do.

Another thing, When animals hunt, who do they usually take down? The old, sick or weak. That keeps the gene pull strong in the prey species

When Humans hunt who do they take down.. The biggest baddest buck with the big rack. Which in truth hurts the pray species

[Magnum]

It has always sruck me as hyopcritical the way animal-rights extremists see a human animal hunting another animal for food, and a non-human animal hunting an animal as completely different. Are they both not the same thing? Where exactly is this supposed distiction?
I have never hunted and I am alive and well, typing this out..... If Lions, Tigers and Bears were allowed to grab a bite at the grocery store, I bet they would choose that over the possibility of getting their jaw broke from an old fiesty Wildebeest.

[John Olexa]

Kalisandra.. your little quipe at the bottom of your post. Thats something 10 year olds say How Childish!! LMBO

[Jessica51703]

wow. Do you think that people go around in the woods with there tunic on and a knife in there hand? Ready to kill at the first site of brown? Have you ever seen a family pick up a deer that has been killed on the side of the road to bring to there freezer, to eat off from? I have I have, it was awful, at first, I couldnt believe it, that after I drove home and started to think about it, it really started to make sense.. They had little ones in the back seat, and to me taking one deer a year to put food on there table by all means had no problem by me.. Maybe we can afford our trips to the grocery store, or our interent, or our computers, but I have seen the down side of proverty, I have help some of thoses need and yes they are hunters, not trophy hunters, not poachers, you tell them that they can't have extra food on the table this year after they have worked a back breaking job, than you have at it, I will be making the food baskets to leave on there door steps this year at chirstmas and thanksgiving. There is a difference between big game hunters and food hunters.. Don't judge those who don't deserve to be judged, who knows, maybe someday, one of these people may lend a helping hand to you... I always try to keep paying it forward;)

[John Olexa]

No, but they do go around with there camo, face paint & deer piss sprayed on, Oh sorry "Doe scent" :rolleyes:

Realize your scenario about finding road kill, as sad as that is, has nothing to do with the topic of hunting.

[Jessica51703]

How do you know, if you do not hunt?? I see for someone who has never picked up a weapon knows what doe piss, or sorry, doe scent is, or cameo and face paint? Take the bullseye off from the people (proverty stricken) who where using it to live off from it all I was saying, not supporting anyone else (trophy hunters/ poachers). Plan and simple.

[John Olexa]

I can read,& I can hear. Just because I don't hunt don't mean I don't know whats going on. 100% of the people I know who hunt do it for fun, sure they eat the meat, but they do it for fun.

If the people are as poor as you say how can they afford the license, shotgun, slugs ect, ect

[Magnum]

wow. Do you think that people go around in the woods with there tunic on and a knife in there hand? Ready to kill at the first site of brown?
Yep, I see many every year. I see them perched in their deer blinds every time I go to the grocery store during Deer Season. Yep, they have killed at the sight of brown....my friends filly was shot, in the heart by a Deer Hunter. Pretty sad if you ask me. I know more sport hunters than I know activists, and not by choice either. They are in abundance, so maybe they should start feeding the poor with their tagged prize. At least that would make their efforts go towards something useful, other than a good story to gossip about at the local coffee shop.

[JustJo]

Kalisandra,

I also find your signature about PETA to be offensive and I am not even a PETA member.

[Jessica51703]

Know one will ever get it.. I would love it if someone would give them there deer, that they shot, nothing would make me more happy to know someone is taken care of this winter... I am just saying don't judge someone before you know there whole situation on hunting.. Such as; is your family at home depending on this? Or are you doing this to make yourself feel like a bigger man?? I would ask that, no joke I would...Which most of them would probably answer, its just for fun, if thats the case than feel free to light into them...
SOO sorry about your friends horse that is awful:( couldnt even begin to express my sympathy's, I have to move my horse to the top pasture.. and post my land, dress him in orange and color him with a chalk stick... See, I have to do the same things as everyone else b/c I know there are dumb people sitting out in the woods waiting watching. Everyone knows that there are stupid people sitting there.. I just wanted people to know that there are a few, that they arent there to enjoy the cold or the fact they can't afford to put food on the table...

[John Olexa]

If people are that bad off isn't there somekind of Goverment help? food stamps?

Again though, you not talking about "hunting" You are talking about people so poor they can't even afford to hunt. Thats not the same thing I would be more then happy to donate lots of meatless foods for them to eat, veggies, furits, and such, go a lot further & cost less then meat.

[Magnum]

Kalisandra,

I also find your signature about PETA to be offensive and I am not even a PETA member.
I agree...it's very offensive

[Jessica51703]

There is some government things I am trying to get them hooked up with right now, but in our state there is a waiting list which sucks on certain programs, b/c we are a low income area, I am getting them info on fuel, lighting & phone and so on which doesn't take as long, food stamps are a work in progross right now, there is a month long waiting list for them by appointment I guess, and they have to do it themselves, I am not that close so I kinda have to hand the info over and tell them how to do it in a nice but easy to understand way, if that makes any sense? But anothor person I know is getting a program started at a hospital where they adopt a family through the holidays, food clothes and presents will be taken care of..etc. soo cross our fingers that will take some of the burden off from them they just don't know it yet, that will be a great surpirse for them, or any family enduring sickness hardship for years to come... if only we could live on one big happy planet and all get along. It would be great to have people like you guys to show people that there is another route to eating healthy.. Maybe that is something you can do in your community. Maybe someday they can see a dr, and they can show them the light about healthy eating styles!! Gotta take baby steps around these people they have alot of pride sometimes and will refuse help just make a point... I would be happy eating corn on the cob and salsa.. I didnt understand what PETA was until I looked it up, even though I carry a different vibe on a few things that isnt cool jeeezzz PETA?? :eek:

[JustJo]

Yep, I see many every year. I see them perched in their deer blinds every time I go to the grocery store during Deer Season. Yep, they have killed at the sight of brown....my friends filly was shot, in the heart by a Deer Hunter. Pretty sad if you ask me. I know more sport hunters than I know activists, and not by choice either. They are in abundance, so maybe they should start feeding the poor with their tagged prize. At least that would make their efforts go towards something useful, other than a good story to gossip about at the local coffee shop.


Great Dane owners all know to keep their dogs indoors during hunting season. So many have been shot by hunters who mistake them for deer. Even though Bullwinkle is merle I always keep him indoors just in case. I figure if an idiot hunter is going to mistake a Great Dane for a deer then they won't hesitate to distinguish between fawn or grey.

[John Olexa]

I didnt understand what PETA was until I looked it up, even though I carry a different vibe on a few things that isnt cool jeeezzz PETA?? :eek:

I don't understand what you mean by this statement.

[Jessica51703]

The person who put of people eating tastey animals I think it was put up in spite not to make a point.. I just thought if they had a point to make they could have done it in more of a ummm composed way.. Thats all apparentley I didnt type it like that last night.. oops.. We both carry different opinions, on certain things for certain reason, I trying to say I didnt think the people eating tastey animals, was put up for a good cause, I think it was put up to rub someones fur the wrong way.. Thats all.. We have different opinions on things. I saw the real intials on your name and looked up the meaning online.. I wanted to understand why you backed it so seriously thats all.. I hope that makes it more clear? I was typing that really late last night...Probably why it made nooooo sense... Looking back at my post I see why you asked, I guess it only late night tv for me no more computer..

[John Olexa]

LOL I know the feeling :D no problem either way, :) I was just wondering.

[Magnum]

The person who put of people eating tastey animals I think it was put up in spite not to make a point.
My very thoughts too.

[John Olexa]

Thats ok, Heck it's so old it's lost it's shock value.

[nick225]

I think hunting is fine.
One time we went out to Georgia, some birds were flying around/ It was with a group of other guys and we blasted them. They'd come back, and we'd shoot them again. Got like 8 of them

[Magnum]

I think hunting is fine.
One time we went out to Georgia, some birds were flying around/ It was with a group of other guys and we blasted them. They'd come back, and we'd shoot them again. Got like 8 of them
Why?:confused:

[nick225]

why.......
i dont really have a reason other than its fun.

[JustJo]

why.......
i dont really have a reason other than its fun.


LOL! You don't even come close to being the best troll we have had on here! Your incongrous posts just do not compare to the better trolls that put more thought and effort into it. :rolleyes:

[Jessica51703]

Lol... Really Hard.....lol........I like that, trolls...

[Lionessa]

if your starving theres pleny of veggies to eat.

I can't put into words my hate for hunting

I completely agree

[jojoalexis]

people who can easily take a prescious life out of selfishness will surely live long lonely lives

[petlover4eva]

You could not put my hate for hunting into words!

[spiritwolf68]

I come from a family of hunters they all hunt for food. I went one time. I was walking by myself went to shoot a deer it looked up at me I looked into it's eyes. I let him go and i have never gone since. Thats just me though I don't condemn my family and friends for hunting and they don't bother me about not going.

[jdegriz]

Kalisandra.. your little quipe at the bottom of your post. Thats something 10 year olds say How Childish!! LMBO

No more childish than your iams protest to some of us. Or your personal attacks on others- it only hurts your cause and credibility.

God gave mankind stewardship over the earth and its inhabitants; the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, and all of the animals of the earth. What's worse- one man stalking an animal in the wilderness with a weapon, or a herd of animals driven into a slaughterhouse to be killed en masse? Hunting is a measured stewardship to keep certain animal levels down to environmental levels.

The government and environmentalists could use other means, such as trapping, poison, or re-location, but they do not always work as planned or expected. At least this way, someone gets the benefit of the meat.

I don't agree personally with a lot of it. I fail to see the fairness in men with high powered rifles sitting in blinds waiting for an animal to cross their path. And "big game" hunting is nothing but compensating for a ----------. (sorry ladies)

[John Olexa]

I fail to see the conection between a personal attack like Kalisandra & protesting a company that abuses animals??

Care to explain?

Where you at troll buster? LMBO

[Riosmommy]

I havent seen John making any personal attacks on people. He may address their statements but nothing personal to them. You also have a choice to read about his Iams boycott or not. He has a love of all animals and looks out for the welfare of the animals. I can vouch for his credibility its impeccable in my book. This man goes the extra mile or hundred miles to rescue and save animals. So I value his opionions. As for me I dont like hunting. Poor starving people no money: They do what they have to. When you find out who is running this stewardship let me know, because they are doing a rotten job. Their are ways to control populations without killing everything off.
Rio&Nickysmommy

['too crazy]

Trollbuster isn't here but I am. I knew from the get go this would be a touchy subject. This is getting to be an explosive thread and this will be the only warning before it is closed. jdegriz, I deleted your comment as there are young people on this board. Please keep that in mind.

[jdegriz]

Again, making fun of or ridiculing people hurts your credibility:

Kalisandra.. your little quipe at the bottom of your post. Thats something 10 year olds say How Childish!! LMBO

too crazy- my apologies to you and the rest of the forum members for an inadvertant bending of the rules. I was trying to register my strong contempt of people who hunt merely for sport or big game.

It is true that a lot of the people who hunt to put food on their families tables could get welfare. I think it is a matter of pride for one thing, and an unwillingness to be dependent on the government for another. I have less of an issue with those folks than I do for the ones who go just to get a rack for the wall. For others it is an ancient tradition and custom.

The Department of the Interior, the Department of Land Management, and the Forestry Department have all used hunting as "environmental" alternatives to control some animal populations. They allowed ranchers to hunt bear and wolves to near extinction in the west because they believed them to be "pests". Only now after years of research and study do they realize that they upset a delicate balance in nature by doing so. Have you not read that they have just recently re-introduced wolves into the Yellowstone and Grand Teton National Parks?

Or what about the bison hunt being re-introduced: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10067841/

[John Olexa]

Right thats what Kalisandra did, not me. I was just stating how childish it was. you don't even know what it was! it's been changed. But you still didn't answer my question.

[jdegriz]

I can read a thread and comments just as easily as you. Again, this isn't a personal attack. Just like you I am addressing a "comment".

Your question: I fail to see the conection between a personal attack like Kalisandra & protesting a company that abuses animals??

Care to explain?

Sure, they are both childish, neither are rooted in fact, and both are a needless waste of time. PETA claims iams abuses animals, but then PETA claims everyone abuses animals. iams is just your latest hate target. What happened, they would not endorse PETA so you went gunning for them? I think it's just a tad convenient that an "undercover PETA agent" had complete access to the iams research facilities and took ten months to get highly suspect data.

Before you go ballistic however, if it were an independent investigator that had gotten this evidence, I would be right there in the boycott trenches next to you brother.

[jdegriz]

Again, my aplogies if anyone thinks these are personal attacks. I am merely trying to state my opinions and feelings about certain things or comments, not people. I am also responding to other people's questions directed at me.

I am not taking their comments personally. I understand that people can get passionate for what they believe in, but I also think that we were already dialing this back a bit. I can't help being blunt and as honest as I can be.

John and I can spar a bit but I think we agree on some things too.

[John Olexa]

Sure, they are both childish, neither are rooted in fact, and both are a needless waste of time. PETA claims iams abuses animals, but then PETA claims everyone abuses animals. iams is just your latest hate target. What happened, they would not endorse PETA so you went gunning for them? I think it's just a tad convenient that an "undercover PETA agent" had complete access to the iams research facilities and took ten months to get highly suspect data.


Film don't lie.

[jdegriz]

Film don't lie.

Well, if we use that rationale, then there really is a Darth Vader. Even I can photoshop some spectacular shots. I merely said that the evidence would be more believable if it was obtained independently, and not by an organization with a known agenda. Who else besides movie stars endorses the evidence?

I am not trying to be difficult, I just hardly ever take things at face value. Except for my grandkids!

[Riosmommy]

I think that a bit extreme to think that all of these people filming things at these places are editting things. If you investigate the Iams situation they have been being closely watched also by the ASPCA and believe me they know they are coming. I have worked in Hospitals for over 20 years and you wouldn't believe how everything was cleaned up. I dont believe the editting is on the filmers. I think the editting happens when these places are being inspected and they know these people are going to come around. They may not know the day but they have time to get ready. Testing these animals for food is barbaric. Before I make my husband dinner I dont harm him to see what his reactions would be. Crazy world we live in disecting one animal to make sure another one is safe while they eat something. Eat animals life is valued the same as every other. When the whole world is watching a company and they still find deficiencies in their company, can you image what its like when nobody is watching.
I pray for these animals.
RIo&Nickysmommy

[John Olexa]

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Well, if we use that rationale, then there really is a Darth Vader. Even I can photoshop some spectacular shots. I merely said that the evidence would be more believable if it was obtained independently, and not by an organization with a known agenda. Who else besides movie stars endorses the evidence?




Don't you think if it was photoshop IAMS would have sued. I should have said theres video.
Besides they admit to it & said they didn't know that it was happning.

[SDBelle]

Every time I go to type a response to this message, the thread gets longer and longer.....and I knew it would when I read the title.

Back to the subject at hand......I know I am in the major minority here and I don't want to get into an argument with anyone, but I believe that hunting is not only okay, it's absolutely necessary in many areas. OK, before anyone blows up, please let me explain my point of view.

Some people hunt just for sport, others for food. I live in an area where there are so many deer that they run wild through the city. They are constantly being hit by cars (often the little fawns who aren't as car savvy as their moms). Seriously, if you drive down the roads in the middle of town, you will see dead deer along the sides of the streets, and you can't even keep count of them on the highways in more rural areas around here. Last winter the city council here HAD to do something about all the deer, so in addition to all the hunting licenses sold, the city ended up having the GF&P kill almost 275 within city limits, and the latest news shows that they will probably have to do the same this winter.

A lot of people think hunting is cruel, but have you ever seen a wild animal that is starving to death or dying of CWD? It is heartbreaking and it makes me sick. I HATE knowing they are suffering because they are so grossly overpopulated. Are they suffering more from a bullet to the lungs than they are when they die a long, slow death from lack of food?

I am not cruel to animals. I have many rescue animals of my own, and I don't even blink an eye at all the deer that eat bird seed right out of my bird feeders in the winter. I don't mind them being there. I even let them stick around and eat our hay bales right alongside our horses. However, I do think they need to be controlled. I do not like hunters who are careless about killing animals and I despise poachers. I am perfectly okay with responsible hunters who aren't just out there to be able to shoot at something, and I realize there are a lot of bad hunters around.

I also realize that humans are the cause of this overpopulation problem. We are moving into their territory, and therefore running out their natural predators like bears and mountain lions, but what is the solution? We can't really start hunting people to control the human population, right? ;) What else is there to do? The deer here can't be relocated. There are just too many and not enough places to go with them. I really don't see any viable solution other than hunting.

With that said, please don't jump all over me. :) I am a big supporter of animal rescues, ASPCA, and I have no problem with PETA......BUT, I have seen starving deer and elk firsthand, and I just don't see any other way to get around hunting.

[John Olexa]

Every time I go to type a response to this message, the thread gets longer and longer.....and I knew it would when I read the title.

Back to the subject at hand......I know I am in the major minority here and I don't want to get into an argument with anyone, but I believe that hunting is not only okay, it's absolutely necessary in many areas. OK, before anyone blows up, please let me explain my point of view.

Some people hunt just for sport, others for food. I live in an area where there are so many deer that they run wild through the city. They are constantly being hit by cars (often the little fawns who aren't as car savvy as their moms). Seriously, if you drive down the roads in the middle of town, you will see dead deer along the sides of the streets, and you can't even keep count of them on the highways in more rural areas around here. Last winter the city council here HAD to do something about all the deer, so in addition to all the hunting licenses sold, the city ended up having the GF&P kill almost 275 within city limits, and the latest news shows that they will probably have to do the same this winter.

A lot of people think hunting is cruel, but have you ever seen a wild animal that is starving to death or dying of CWD? It is heartbreaking and it makes me sick. I HATE knowing they are suffering because they are so grossly overpopulated. Are they suffering more from a bullet to the lungs than they are when they die a long, slow death from lack of food?

I am not cruel to animals. I have many rescue animals of my own, and I don't even blink an eye at all the deer that eat bird seed right out of my bird feeders in the winter. I don't mind them being there. I even let them stick around and eat our hay bales right alongside our horses. However, I do think they need to be controlled. I do not like hunters who are careless about killing animals and I despise poachers. I am perfectly okay with responsible hunters who aren't just out there to be able to shoot at something, and I realize there are a lot of bad hunters around.

I also realize that humans are the cause of this overpopulation problem. We are moving into their territory, and therefore running out their natural predators like bears and mountain lions, but what is the solution? We can't really start hunting people to control the human population, right? What else is there to do? The deer here can't be relocated. There are just too many and not enough places to go with them. I really don't see any viable solution other than hunting.

With that said, please don't jump all over me. I am a big supporter of animal rescues, ASPCA, and I have no problem with PETA......BUT, I have seen starving deer and elk firsthand, and I just don't see any other way to get around hunting.


A friend told me yesterday his dad shot a buck with his bow, he hit it right behind the shoulder. It kept circling, looking around like trying to see what happen to him. he then staggered away, he when to look, followed blood trail, but was getting to dark, so he gave up. Never found it,
It really kicks me in the ass to say this, but because of humans, I guess there is no other choise. Humans fault! but They got to do away with bow hunting. I hear stories like this one 10 times more then I do what the mighty hunter uses his gun.

Hunting!:mad:

[SDBelle]

A friend told me yesterday his dad shot a buck with his bow, he hit it right behind the shoulder. It kept circling, looking around like trying to see what happen to him. he then staggered away, he when to look, followed blood trail, but was getting to dark, so he gave up. Never found it,
It really kicks me in the ass to say this, but because of humans, I guess there is no other choise. Humans fault! but They got to do away with bow hunting. I hear stories like this one 10 times more then I do what the mighty hunter uses his gun.

Hunting!:mad:

I agree, sometimes they do suffer when hunted, especially when hunted with bows. And I despise hunters who go out and blast away at anything that moves. They end up breaking the animals' backbones, breaking legs, or shooting them in the gut so they suffer for a very long time before dying. Many hunters don't bother to track down animals that they injure. I have zero respect for hunters like that. But like you say, we are the cause of the overpopulation problem and unfortunately, there may be no other solution than to hunt them. I wish we could control the human population instead, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. ;)

[SDBelle]

Here is some thing that can be done...

What You Can Do

Support legislation banning canned hunts on a federal, state, and local levels. Tell your federal senators and representatives to support legislation prohibiting canned hunting. If your county or state has no law against canned hunting, push for such a bill.

Ask your local zoo about its policy on surplus animals and their disposition. Ask zoo officials to make a commitment to provide any animal born in their facility with responsible, lifelong care.
Do not support the trade of wild animals in any form—as pets, products, or entertainment.
Oppose the establishment of hunts or game ranches in your community. Apply local anti-cruelty laws to existing hunt situations.
Speak out about canned hunts. Write letters to your local newspaper about canned hunts or canned hunt legislation affecting your community.
Do not buy any fur coats or fur-trimmed garments. Encourage your friends and family to do the same.
Complain to store managers where fur is sold -- boycott those stores until they change their fur policy.
Speak up when a fur is worn in public. Politely, but firmly, ask the wearer if they are aware of the unseen cruelty of fur.

I totally agree that the canned hunting described is absolutely unnecessary. It's sickening. I also don't agree with wearing fur. Faux fur is just as good as real fur. I wish all of our excess wildlife could be sent to zoos and wildlife sanctuaries, but that's not possible. They would be completely overrun.

I stand by my opinion about hunting to control overpopulation, but hunting contained animals for fun is stupid. I was just talking to my uncle the other day about a guy who owns a buffalo ranch where people can pay $2,000 to come and hunt the buffalo. What?? How exciting is that? Hunting a buffalo that's contained in a pasture, like a cow? Doesn't make any sense.

[John Olexa]

unfortunately cant see them making it legal to go human hunting anytime soon:D

they are sure trying in the county above me, PG County there on record breaking pace in murders LOL

[SDBelle]

Jonesy, I had no idea you guys have that much trouble with kangaroos there. I'm not surprised though....I guess anywhere there are animals and humans you'll have trouble. Do they actually sell licenses to kill them there or can anyone go out and do it? That's weird. It would be strange to have them running loose in cities. I just can't picture it. lol

[Python]

A friend told me yesterday his dad shot a buck with his bow, he hit it right behind the shoulder. It kept circling, looking around like trying to see what happen to him. he then staggered away, he when to look, followed blood trail, but was getting to dark, so he gave up. Never found it,
It really kicks me in the ass to say this, but because of humans, I guess there is no other choise. Humans fault! but They got to do away with bow hunting. I hear stories like this one 10 times more then I do what the mighty hunter uses his gun.

Hunting!:mad:


To tell you the truth john. You might love me for this. But i dont care for hunting anymore. Because it cost to damn much to hunt. Plus i dont got the heart to kill one. I will only eat the meat thats it. And i havent even been hunting this year. I got a 30-30 for my i think 15 or 16 birthday and i havent even shot it. So yay for me not hunting.

[Magnum]

Yay Python!!

My family target shoots and the expense is not cheap by any means.

[dlaura]

Yay, yay for you Python!!!!!!! I was let go from a job 6 years ago because I would not endorse my supervisor's hunting with oooows and ahhhhs --- and to this day I still would not!

[Squawksx3]

We seem to forget that humans are multiplying at an alarming rate and moving into the wildlife territory and homes. Theres more and more construction and everytime we build, it expands mans territory and takes away from the wildlife. It saddens me everytime I hear people complain about what a menace the wildlife is and that their populations need to be controlled. The balance of nature has been effective for thousands of years and they seem to control themselves... until man comes along and wants to change the story. I have no problem with hunting as long as its ethical, for survival and not for status or trophy. Theres got to be a happy medium and a way to live in harmony with nature.... maybe Im just dreaming.........

[Fuzzy Kitten]

I think hunting for food is fine, but hunting for sport that's where I draw the line.

But I hate it when people say, "Oh just eat plants instead!" And here are my statements to back this up: 1. Why is it that cougars, bears and other carnivores can hunt and it's fine, but humans should all be vegetarians? Aren't humans just predators like other animals? 2. I know it may sound corny, but when you eat plants you are still killing plants. It's practically impossible to eat something and not have to kill it.

[Squawksx3]

I agree with you on #1 .. humans are preditors, most are convinced we're civilized LMBO!. :D

I dont have to kill chocolate! :D .. oh wait... the cocoa bean dies huh? *sigh*... what about ice cream......

[BirdLuver288]

well i agree if its for food, but to hang a head on your wall? well thats just sick:mad: i have a nice 4 point deer antler, but not because i killed it, i found it in the woods, later on, i found that it worked real well with my squirrel (let go now, shes a big girl :D) so its got some chewwie spots, but i still hold it as a treasure, not a trophy

[John Olexa]

I think hunting for food is fine, but hunting for sport that's where I draw the line.

Nobody in this day and age uses hunting as there only means of food. While they may eat it (yuck) They still do it for fun.It has never been or will be a sport. I know of no "sport" where the goal is to kill.. 'cept maybe boxing, and plenty of people are trying to get that banned.

P.S. Fuzzy, for the record Bears are ominivores not carnivores. Plants while living, have no brain or pain receptors. unlike Cows, Chickens or deer.

[Magnum]

I dont have to kill chocolate! :D .. oh wait... the cocoa bean dies huh? *sigh*... what about ice cream......
The vanilla bean Squawks.....:p

[John Olexa]

To tell you the truth john. You might love me for this. But i dont care for hunting anymore. Because it cost to damn much to hunt. Plus i dont got the heart to kill one. I will only eat the meat thats it. And i havent even been hunting this year. I got a 30-30 for my i think 15 or 16 birthday and i havent even shot it. So yay for me not hunting.


alright!! Good for you!!!! I'm glad you stopped, seeing as how you feel , you would have really hated your self if you would have killed a deer.

Hey take your 30-30 and hit the target range. I like going to ours I have an old 22 real old It is heaver them most shotguns LOL. I love target shooting ( I like to draw certain peoples faces on the targets ) ;)

I'm really glad you decided not to kill anymore, but you still would have been my friend anyway.

[Pepsidoodle]

Well I have a guy who rents a room from us. He hunts. He went hunting for the second time this year and brought home a dead doe. I am just sick about it. First off the guy was only supposed to be here a couple of months. He has been here a year! The first deer he got, he cut it up in front of our house!! He did not even ask to do it! When he brought the doe home I said no way. Now he has his freezer full of deer and our electric bill will probably be sky high. Hub and I do not eat any game (stupid word) and very little meat. His kid is terrible. 16 years old and he lets him smoke cigarrettes. He bought him a switch blade...I could go on. They tear everything up that they touch. Now my hub had this house before we were married so I really can't tell the guy to leave. My hub is not going to because he just won't-we have talked at length about it. I know this really doesn't have to do with hunting but any suggestions of how to get this deer killer out of my house? You know, drive him out not throw him out. My husband is really a super nice guy and just doesn't want to throw him out. It is a guy thing I guess. Oh also I have never seen him actually clean his room! Won't clean his bath either! he is just really gross help!!

[dlaura]

Sounds to me as a good rent increase is due! Do this guy & his son live in the one room? I have no other ideas - sorry. Best of luck -- this sounds like a very delicate situation.

[Pepsidoodle]

Hi dlaura. No He only has his son on the weekends and we give him another bedroom to sleep in (tears that up too). We feel if we increase his rent he won't save money to move out. It is very delicate and we try to be tactful people. What makes it more delicate is the fact that he is My husbands oldest sons' girlfriends brother and we really like his family. To tell you the truth his family talks bad about him. They have no respect for him. It is sad. He drinks beer everyday but has a pretty good job. He makes @50k. I don't understand where all of his money goes. His rent here is dirt cheap.

[dlaura]

Hi there, well you can still be delicate, tactful people while giving a rent increase. Sometimes when you allow to much leash people take advantage. You guys are great to "lend" him a bedroom for his son every other weekend, but by the same token he should be treating your home with respect and not just tear everything apart. You never know he might have quite a nice nest egg, but why spend more when he doesn't have to. I don't envy you trying to solve this situation. At the very least though he should have the courtesy to ask permission to skin a deer on your front property. I don't think I could take that. UGH! Sounds like he has been there for a while and if nothing is said he probably doesn't have the least idea he is offending anyone. Could that be a possibility?

[Pepsidoodle]

Thanks for talking to me about this. I feel a little silly since this is the animal rights thread. He knows I don't like him here. Mike (hub) did like him here until recently. He has pulled some outragous stuff. Mike has a long wick. He does not get mad easy. He is getting there now. The thing is I think he is psychotic. He has no regard for others which is typical in narcisistics. You are right he has it made here. And, yes he is taking advantage big time. I know there is really no way for anyone to know what to do. We really need to ask him to go. I feel better now. Thanks for letting me get it out on this inappropriate thread :p

[John Olexa]

. It is a guy thing I guess.
It ain't no guy thing with me. LOL His sorry ass would be long gone!

[dlaura]

Pepsiedoodle -- you are very welcome. I was so happy to see this thread take a different turn so don't worry about it being inappropriate. We mods have been debating about closing it anyway.

It has really run it's course and I think everyone who has an opinion that they would like to share has had an opportunity to post it. Sometimes these threads go on and on to the point the subject is beat to death.

OK -- I have convinced myself that it is time to close this thread.