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07-29-2003, 08:03 AM
I could not believe what I just saw on my other parrot site. This is so wrong what some people will do. Here is a copy of the exact post.
Am I crazy or is this wrong. I thought you couldn't sell live animals on Ebay. I can't believe that someone would put thier pet on Ebay and ship it off to the highest bidder. The item number is 2337653042. Can you believe it the item number. I'm sorry I am just sick over the way people do these wonderful amazing creatures.
07-29-2003, 08:43 AM
I agree Jason & casegura.
07-29-2003, 12:45 PM
It's a shame but people don't realize birds need love and attention just like cats and dogs. They treat them all like canaries and finches and think they will just be content being in a cage. When they find out that's not the way it is, they try to get as much of their money back as possible not realizing the damage they are doing to the bird. I wish people did research before getting a bird!!!
07-29-2003, 01:14 PM
About finches. I used to work for a pet store and I rescued a finch from the bottom of the finch cage. It was a baby and fell out of the nest. I raised it from less than a week old. That bird got to know our whole family and when it was able to fly it flew around our heads and liked to snuggle down into our hands, so finches can be companions. The only problem was despite the time and energy I put into it the bird still belonged to the store and the owners little brat daughter killed it. I had offered just one day earlier 20 dollars for it and he said no. After his stupid brat daughter killed it he simply said to me "I know how attached you are to it so why don't you go out back and bury it.". I felt like I wanted to break his head like an egg, but the couts would not have seen it from my point of view, so I simply went on a one week vacation and never went back to work there.
07-29-2003, 01:51 PM
That I do. I should have told the guy that the bird died and just never brought it back to the store. I think the next bird I buy will be a baby finch. I it was not for that stupid little brat that throws clipped birds around trying to get them to fly the finch would still be alive.
Love Bird B
07-29-2003, 02:53 PM
How so incredibly sad for that poor little finch, and you! Stupid kids like that make me so insane, I feel like choking them. I haven't choked a brat yet though (for the record.) How old was the kid? He'll probably grow up to become a psychopath, that is if someone like me doesn't intervene and stop him one way or the other. Psychos always start their illness with hurting and killing animals.
People have asked me if I thought animals were more important than humans, and I don't see the difference. To me, it's all the same which is the reason why I haven't choked a kid yet.
I sure do vent a lot here!! This has become therapy for me.
07-29-2003, 03:25 PM
For me animals are far more important than humans.
07-29-2003, 04:41 PM
I'd also have to say I agree with you.
07-29-2003, 05:43 PM
I'd love to work at home. How did you get into it? Any special training? Working at home and being around the fids sounds great!
07-29-2003, 10:15 PM
Back to finches.... Did anyone read the article about "Finches as Pets" in BirdTalk? It was reaaaaally neat and showed that yes, finches and canarys can be companions and loveable friends too! It even had charts of the most common finches and then it explained each kind's best qualities and not-so-great qualities as a pet. Jason- I hope you do get a finch someday! That's incredibly sad about the one you raised. I was at this little petting zoo thing at a fair when I was about eleven, and they had baby chicks. There was a young girl, probably three, and she was just picking the chick up and carrying it around by it's HEAD!!! The mother was not stopping her and was just saying things such as "Yes, it likes you, doesn't it! Isn't it sooooft?" Had I been older and not so very shy I would have immediately stepped in and stopped the girl. Casegura- youre' so fortunetae to be able to work at home with your fids! I'm looking forward to homeschooling this year and being able to be with mine much, much more too.
doesn't almost make you have nightmares that you weren't able to do anything about helping that chick? sometimes it is so hard to forgive ourselves for something that even we ourselves did not have the capability to do at that time. do you feel that way? i know i feel that way about myself and past situations i've been in, however now that i'm not so shy, i can't help myself but step in and stop things as much as i possibly can. it almost feels like empowerment. would you agree?
07-30-2003, 12:18 AM
i love my animals as much as the next person, but to say 'animals are far more important than humans' is pretty extreme.
07-30-2003, 07:35 AM
I was teased by every one at school up until high school, so after being teased for that many years I say who needs them and for the most part with a few exceptions like the people on this site, I do not care whether most people live or die just as long as I survive.
07-30-2003, 09:02 AM
wow...that's a shame.
you should talk to someone that can help you.
07-30-2003, 09:06 AM
I do not feel that I need any people other than the friends that I currently have. I am always interested in meeting new people but it is very hard to gain my trust yet very easy to loose it. I have talked to many shrinks, but it seems that all they want to do is promote medications and not address the real issues.
07-30-2003, 10:19 AM
i dunno guys...i'd help a person before i'd help an animal. i guess my experiences have been different than other's. i believe in the goodness and generosity of the human spirit, and generally find it. don't get me wrong, i love my dogs and birds and enjoy them alot, but there is NO substitute for good human relationships.
it seems kinda lonely to me to love your animals more than you do other people, and to be happier in the company of animals than in the company of people.
as far as birds on ebay, who knows the reasons for putting the bird up for auction? no different than offering it up for sale. i don't think there's anything wrong with trying to sell an animal on ebay, if that's allowed. i DO think it'd be a pretty stupid place to buy one though.
07-30-2003, 11:13 AM
First of all, I do have human friends. They have been friends of mine since way back. I trust them not to do anything cruel to me and if needed they will fight at my side. I cannot say that about others. If someone yells "there is a bomb here" there is instantly a stampede and people do not care who they step on. At least when there is a stampede of animals, they at least put in some effort not to crush smaller or slower animals in their path. Also I have found most animals to have feelings and seem to feel sorry if they hurt the people around them, whereas 90% of the human population do not care about anyone or anything and if they can save themselves noone else is important. An example is those who scam seniors out of cash. They know it is illegal and immoral but do they even care, I think not. Also I would not stop to help any human if I feel they deserve what they brought on themselves. Such as, if someone is traveling along a road and are following the rules and a tire blows and causes their car to flip over I would stop to help however if they were going far over the speed limit and they do something stupid like clip the curb and crash or flip over I just laugh, point , and keep going. I have seen both happen and I did just what I said. If they care so little that they put everyone in danger and break all rules I can say for sure that if the positions were switched they would not stop to help me, so for all I care they can just drop dead.
07-30-2003, 11:38 AM
wow kid. i think we oughta just drop this whole conversation. we are obviously VERY different people. if you think 90% of the human population doesn't care about anything but themselves, you are gravely mistaken. as far as hellping people only who in your estimation were doing the right thing, and pointing and laughing at other people because you think their injuries were their own fault, well i'm sorry, but i think that's pretty twisted. who made you the judge of all human behavior?
you obviously have alot of anger and alot of issues. please seek help.
07-30-2003, 11:45 AM
I am the judge of deciding that if people that are at fault for their injuries are saved, the next time they do something stupid they might hurt or kill someone that is following the rules and minding their own business.
07-30-2003, 11:48 AM
My example of this is when someone gets drunk and then drives more often than not the one who gets killed or severely injured is the person they hit, and not themselves. I feel that things should be fair, however since they are not I try my best that someone that is not deserving of it does not get any help from me.
07-30-2003, 12:24 PM
not my place to judge. if i can help someone, i certainly would.
anyway, no matter. like i said, we're obviously very different people. i suggest we just stick to bird talk.
07-30-2003, 12:32 PM
Finally I agree with you.
07-30-2003, 12:57 PM
but do get some help
07-30-2003, 01:19 PM
I do not feel that I need help. I have a close knit circle of friends and my pets. I am not really interested in the politics of dealing with the general population.
07-30-2003, 01:25 PM
you've said some pretty bizarre things in this exchange. i think you need help. you said yourself you've seen a number of doctors who recommended medication and your objection was they didn't get to the real issue. maybe the medication whould help YOU get to the real issues.
god help you. really. i feel your pain,
07-30-2003, 01:28 PM
The real issue is that I have not forgiven all of those that made my childhood miserable. The world bites and only the corrupt seem to be happy.
07-30-2003, 02:34 PM
now THAT gave me a chuckle. only the corrupt are happy?
i can tell you that i had a really horrible childhood, so horrible in fact that my mind has blocked alot of it out. i did not seek help until i was 28, i was going to my church for many years and they had a 12 step program which i attended, and one time i shared a really horrible incident and out of nowhere i started crying and they all started praying for me, well i can tell you that i didn't stop crying until the next day. i started seeing the leader who is a psychologist privately and my anger was not just anger but RAGE! i only went to see her every 2 weeks as i could only handle so much pain at one time. i cried alot for the next 2 years and it released my rage and now i'm just dealing with the anger. your childhood was probably not as bad as mine, but i feel for you and your viewpoints on things, i guess what i am saying is that i can to some extent understand, i haven't walked in your shoes so i truly can't understand, but i guess what i am saying is that the therapy has helped me become a lot more balanced in my view on human life. i still am dealing with alot of issues and it is really hard, but therapy might help, only if you do find the right person to help you. i first went and saw someone for 3 weeks and knew she was out of my league, she didn't have what it took to help me deal with what was really going on or took place. i;m sure that you've heard this before, under anger is a blanket of hurt and pain, and releasing it and reliving it to some extent so you are able to deal with it properly now will make that anger lessen. i'm so sorry to hear that you have been hurt, i hope that you are able to find some peace with it, and are able to move on. i can tell you that i know how hard it is.
07-30-2003, 03:32 PM
Jason, I think I can safely say we are all friends here and I don't think schavon2 is being critical. You have been hurt obviuosly very badly but by keeping that anger these people who have hurt you in the past are still hurting you. You said if someone was driving recklessly and clipped the curb and flipped over you would laugh. I know of someone who appeared to be driving recklessly and his car did flip. Fourtunatly someone stop ed because this man had a heart attack and was trying to get out of the way so he didn't hurt others. Things aren't always as they seem.Teri seems to be able to relate to right where you are. Maybe you two could pm each other and she could give you some advice as to how to find the right person to help you. Remember, she said someone she went to wasn't right so she kept on trying. Please keep trying. There really is alot of good people out there. Look at us...we don't personally know you but we care and are worried about you. Don't let the past ruin your future!
also, jason if you really think about it, the unforgiveness is really hurting you, it isn't affecting those who hurt you. sometimes if you look at it that way it makes sense to not hold onto the anger , doesn't it? we need to take care of ourselves before we are able to take care of others, that is including our precious friends we now have, and one way of taking care of our own self is to finally be able to let it go. i also wanted to say that i recently was on zoloft (antidepressant) and it really didn't make me deal with what was and is truly going on, so i agree with you 100% that those dr.'s that wanted to put you on drugs, wasn't really going to help you, i like how you have admitted and faced what your root of your deal is is that you haven't forgiven those that hurt you when you were growing up. do you know that the first step for us to move in the right direction is to find the root of our demise, it helps us to move forward. so that is very exciting to hear, it shows that you are open to healing and you want to start(:
Love Bird B
07-30-2003, 08:50 PM
Where have I been? I just caught up with this thread.
I've been taking Prozak for over a year and I can tell you, I still hate people. No, I'm kidding. I tend to joke way too much but that's how I get through the day.
I've found for every nasty person that I've met, there are plenty others that balance them out. Several years ago I was walking down a flight of stairs that was busy with people coming up. It's never easy to be walking against the crowd. I tried to avoid a woman that was headed straight for me and did a pivot on the step. It didn't take much for her to send me sailing down to the bottom of the stairs, head first. She never even turned around as far as I knew, but as my head was about to hit the bottom step I felt hands, soft sweet hands hold and protect my head from the impact. I never saw the person. By the time I got to sit upright, 'soft hands' had gone. There was a guy named John who asked me if I was alright and stayed with me until the police arrived to take me to the hospital. I thought I had sprained my ankle but I had a fractured it as well.
I wanted to tell you that when I think back to the incident I want to cry. Not because of the woman that caused my fall, but for that person that was there with the soft hands on my head. I'll never be able to thank her. I think of the person as a woman, although it could have just as well have been a male angel. Then there was John. I haven't seen him since but a total stranger took time out of his day for me.
Good people are out there Jason. We're here and all over the globe. Please write to me anytime you want to and smile, a lot of people love you.
07-31-2003, 02:12 AM
it takes alot of courage to face your demons teri. i applaud your efforts.
didn't mean for this to get so up close and personal jason. 'just seemed to me that your display of anger and negativity was a cry for help, and since you said folks in here are your friends, maybe you're just more comfortable with this kind of forum. but this is not the real world. i agree with too crazy...maybe you and teri could take this discussion to a more private forum. she seems to know first hand what you're talking about.
good luck to you.
07-31-2003, 08:04 AM
Some day if I ever get the chance to get even I want to still be angry so I can do it without feeling bad. Yes the people here are friends and when I say get even I don't mean hurting them physically, I mean if they ever need my help for any reason they can count on not getting it. They were cruel back then and I have no interest in forgiving them, I want them to suffer like I did. Only then will I be happy.
07-31-2003, 08:19 AM
happiness comes with forgiveness and acceptance, not vengence.
i hope you learn this one day.
sounds as if you don't want to get help, don't want to get over this, so you can still be angry enough for a payback. i dunno kiddo. 'seems to me NOTHING good can come of that
07-31-2003, 01:01 PM
what if you never get the chance? Is the bitterness your hanging onto worth it for something that might never happen? I think I would rather show them that dispite all their cruelty, you don't give them a second thought and it didn't bother you. Remember kids do stupid things they might not do as an adult. I really wish you would consider getting some help. There is nothing wrong with it. AT any rate, you are in my thoughts and prayers.
Love Bird B
07-31-2003, 01:27 PM
My favorite words to live by are: The best revenge of all is to be happy!!
People that hurt you are probably not even giving you a second thought. Why give them your energy? They have more than likely moved on, so even if you could do something to them in your anger, chances are they probably wouldn't even know why!
Have you tried writing all this down? A therapist would ask you to write down or explain, all the people that have hurt you and why you feel the way you do. You have nothing to lose from doing this so do it for your Auntie B.
Hugs to you!
you are so sweet Auntie B. Jason- she is right, a therapist would have you write it all down, you can even cuss as much as you want, it helps release the anger.
08-01-2003, 08:48 AM
I have been to many and all they ever do is say "It must be depression." and then offer whatever the newest medication. They have never asked what is bothering me. I think that we should drop this subject, because I plan on remembering until I do finally get even at least on some level. Such as, I have not yet been to my first high school reunion and anyone who thought they were better than me back in junior high that have not made anything of themselves, I am going to torment. That will truly make me feel better.
08-01-2003, 10:03 AM
I have been through alot in the 14 or so years. I have learned that retributiion does not bring happiness, forgiveness is the only thing that relases you from the pain THEY caused. You don't have to drag it around with you everywhere. It is so freeing to let it go.
Would i help someone in an emergency that had caused me pain and grief. yes, without any reservations. Again not doing so would bring me down to their level. By helping I at least preserve my integrity. This is very short, if you want to PM me that will be fine, we can talk more.
08-01-2003, 10:10 AM
tormenting the tormentor makes one no better than they.
you're still a kid jason...get over this while you'e young. don't carry it with you into adulthood. it will bring you no happiness at all.
see the doctors. try the medication. what can it hurt?
08-01-2003, 12:04 PM
Jason, I'm sure it is depression as the Dr.s say. Who wouldn't be depressed with all the hurt and anger your carrying around? Wouldn't you want to be free of the pain? Imagine being totally happy. Medication is only a step. You wouldn't be on it for life. It just would help you deal with things while your getting therapy. Look, we're all begging you and we all can't be wrong. Put the past where it belongs and get happy like you have a right to be. We all know Crazeemamas story. She suffered not only emotionally but physically and still suffers pain today. But she also knows forgiveness will help her emotionally. And she has posted before that she struggles in that area. We know you just can't go Well, you guys are right. OK I forgive them. Your hurting deep and it will take time, maybe a long time, but you owe it to yourself. I think you've already taken a step but letting us in on your pain. Please let us help you. PM Crazeemama like she said. PLEASE! Talk to someone.
08-01-2003, 09:43 PM
I do not know all the hurt and pain you have suffered in your life here on earth, but I KNOW THE ONE THAT DOES.
I do not have all the answers to all the questions you have about why all has happened, but I KNOW THE ONE THAT DOES.
I don't know what it will take for you to climb out of the pit of depression and hate that you are in, but I KNOW THE ONE THAT DOES.
Contact me any time if you want to talk. In the meantime i will be praying for you.