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Hello and welcome..
I have been thinking for about a few months about following through and getting a pet and I want to get a pet dog.
I have considered several breeds of dog and I have narrowed it down to three: Rottweiler, German shepherd and Doberman I have interacted with a Rottweiler and a few German shepherds before but not a Doberman.
I want a dog that is loyal, protective, social and smart so I would like some guidance and further information about those breeds since you would know alot about these types of dogs.
I'm eager to know more about them before I have one of them in our home..
That_girl
06-04-2009, 07:53 AM
All of the breeds you've mentioned are highly intelligent and need a lot of physical and mental stimulation.
All 3 of the breeds can also have dominance or aggression issues in the wrong hands. That means you need to set clear rules early and establish yourself as the pack leader when they are pups. Otherwise they will take over and believe that they are the boss.
My ex-step-father had a doberman. It got bored while he was away at work and ate chairs, door frames, tables, walls, basically destroyed anything it could get its mouth on. If you aren't prepared to exercise and train these 3 breeds, I wouldn't recommend them.
You need to look at your lifestyle when determining what kind of dog is for you. Do you like to exercise? Be outside, be active, or do you work a lot and like to spend time at home? If you are the latter, you should probably look into a breed that will be less work.
Highly intelligent sounds really good..
As far as offering exercise to one of these dogs I tend to go for long walks during the week for certain shopping items and going to the library on top of that I also go down to my local park throughout the week for running and exercing.
I'm quite strict myself and setting boundaries for any dog as far as I know is important I have seen just how some owners let their dogs run lose on this tv show called "Its me or the dog." I was amazed at what was going on.
I reckon I could have a good case with one of these breeds :cool:
By the way I also have a Doberman short story as well, one of them stalked my dad after he finished work in a shopping center late at night, long long before he met my mother, he said that he heard some tapping noises he turned around and there was nothing this happened two more times and then the Doberman was right infront of my dad when he turned around my and saw it, my dad told me that he was terrified and the security guard apologised to him many times for the trouble :)
MandyPug
06-04-2009, 09:03 AM
If this is your first dog (and from reading your other post, it is your first dog), i wouldn't recommend any of those 3 breeds. They require an experienced and skilled owner to handle them properly, unexperienced owners are what gives those breeds their bad reputations.
Also i do not think you should get a puppy either if this is your first dog. My advice to you is to go to your local shelter and spend some time with some young adult dogs there and pick one of those. They're usually potty trained, spayed or neutered, up to date on shots, and many have basic obedience training or are learning it already.
dlaura
06-04-2009, 09:40 AM
Well I am going to be third in advising you not to get any of those breeds as a first dog for all the reasons already stated. This doesn't mean never will you have one of these breeds, just get some basic experience first.
Macawpower58
06-04-2009, 10:08 AM
I'm not going to advise you not to get these breeds, but I don't think you're prepared for them, at least not yet.
Long walks are good, but these dogs are all working breeds. Walks and park runs usually just aren't enough. Training is essential too. Usually in a class environment so that you learn to control your dog, as you yourself are being trained.
I own 4 GSDs, I've also had Rotts, and know many Dobermans. All of these dogs do best with an active lifestyle. Hiking, frisbee, agility, tracking, obedience trials, etc.....
Along with the intelligence they have, is territoriality and possessiveness. Many people mistake this for protection. It is not, and must be controlled and monitored, or can lead to aggressive displays. Not fun!
You must know yourself before acquiring a working breed. My first dog was a GSD, and now 40 years later, I've never regretted my choice. They must be a part of your day to day life, and that often means changing your life plans. If it's nightclubs and shopping malls, you'd better rethink your lifestyle, or choice of breeds. Every dog I have I train on a regular basis. Training with these types never stops. They thrive on it, they're bred to work, and work they will. If you don't have a job for them, they'll find their own, and you most likely won't like it. ;)
Husky06
06-04-2009, 12:15 PM
Every dog I have I train on a regular basis. Training with these types never stops. They thrive on it, they're bred to work, and work they will. If you don't have a job for them, they'll find their own, and you most likely won't like it. ;)
Amen lol. Now if you have show lines.....just kidding lol. Anubis thrives on work as well and Becky I'm highly considering getting a puppy out of Reno Jipo me/Onta Traho from the Czech Republic at the end of this year. Am I crazy? lol
katiem
06-04-2009, 12:23 PM
Whatever you decide to do please, please, make sure you get the dog through a reputable breeder. The last thing you need is to be new to dogs and end up with an uncontrollable monster with temperament issues. There is a reason those breeds have the stigma that they do...
cajunrogue
06-04-2009, 01:11 PM
they are all good dogs. I had a german shep he was a wonderful dog i have been around rotties and they are good to. ive never had a doberman but ive seen how mean they can be our family friend had 3 and he had his dad wtach them when he went on a trip one got out and got hit, well the dad ook it to the vet and whe the guy got home they turned on him. he had to put them down cause they attacked them. he said they are good dogs but they can also turn with in seconds goes for rotties to. they can be woderful dogs but need tons of excersice, and make sure they know you are the dominat one, becase they can be domanit and aggresive. from my experince wih german sheaps not so much buy with rotties and dobeys you have to be on your gaurd. i would say not to start off with these breeds, i had to take care of my aunts dobbies, i was always outside running with them, playing frissbee things like that we would be out for hours upon hours at a time, she loves them but she always says unless you can chnge your lifestyle if it wont work for the dog and cant take the time to train it from a pup nd always work for it, it is most likely not the dog to get.
you know there are other dogswho are smart, intellegent, social playful protective, we have had pointers, labs, huskies, even a great dane ( may he rest in peace) and they were all of those. sadley people think of them as only family dogs bu they are very loyal and protective, i think its sad people want rotties and dobbies and german sheaps cause they ar protective and everything else. there are alot of other dogs who are to. i work at a shelter, and i know whe someone comes in to look at those type they always ask if you have experince in training dogs, working with them, taking them out for hours a day, because they need it. ive seen a few who are not socail. it goes by temperment, their parents, things like that. GL on getting a dog though.
katiem
06-04-2009, 01:23 PM
he said they are good dogs but they can also turn with in seconds goes for rotties to.
I'm sorry, there are a lot of things in your response I question, but this particular statement drives me crazy. Any dog can "turn in seconds" and hurt a person if the dog is mishandled, or badly bred, or poorly raised. Its not just the big tough guys.
squashynose
06-04-2009, 01:46 PM
from my experince wih german sheaps not so much buy with rotties and dobeys you have to be on your gaurd.
It's because the wrong people are getting them for the wrong reason, and not raising them properly. They want a hard looking dog, so get a rottie/dobey, raise them to be hard, and then there's all the problems and bad press for these breeds. :banghead:
Out of all the GSDs, rotties and dobeys (dobies?) I've known, we've had the most problems with the GSDs, I think because they can be so, so loyal, and most of ours have been very anxious dogs, not great with strangers, probably due to bad breeding and/or poor socialisation. The rotties and dobermans have been very friendly to everyone.
To the OP, I agree with the others about these being working breeds... They need a job to do, and a confident handler. They need socialisation from a young age, as well as obedience training, as any dog does.
I wouldn't say don't get one, just make sure you know your stuff before you do. Breed specific rescues are an option. They'll assess all the dogs prior to homing, and will try to find something suitable for you.
By choosing one of these breeds, it's your duty to make sure it is a well behaved and well manners member of the community :D We need responsible owners to show that these breeds shouldn't be feared, or banned...
Oh, check out any BSL (Breed Specific Legislation) in your area.
Macawpower58
06-04-2009, 01:47 PM
Katiem makes two good comments. First any dog (especially working breeds) bred indiscriminately by backyard breeders can have many temperament issues ranging from fear biting, shyness, to phobias and more.
Research breeders before going for that pup.
I also hate the stereotyping of guarding/working breeds. These dogs are no more likely to 'turn on you' than any other strong willed dog. You just don't hear about the small dog that went after it's owner, and many small dogs have a worse bite history than any of the working breeds.
It's all in the raising, and training of them.
Macawpower58
06-04-2009, 01:54 PM
Amen lol. Now if you have show lines.....just kidding lol. Anubis thrives on work as well and Becky I'm highly considering getting a puppy out of Reno Jipo me/Onta Traho from the Czech Republic at the end of this year. Am I crazy? lol
Yes, you're definately crazy! Training one pup is work, training two is insane! Nice choice though if you decide to go through with it.
How is Anubis coming? Getting ready for his BH? Moska is doing well. We got the sit, and hier down fairly well. The down is taking slightly longer and I'm teaching her targeting now as well.
I would say, seeing as you're a first time owner and it seems you want a larger dog, I'd suggest maybe a Labrador for you. They as well are a working breed and have alot of energy, but they generally do pretty well with almost any human. The one's I've met, at least, and I've never owned one, although I'm sure one of my dogs has some lab in te mix.
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/labrador.htm
Oh, I want to add, I was reading your post again, and you want a dog that is "loyal, protective, social and smart) and I want to just say that all dogs can be that way, not just big tough-looking ones! My collie/lab/what I'm sure is Pointer mix is all of those things. My collie/husky isn't, but she was handled badly and beaten and left by herself and she has basically no social skills outside of dealing with us and our other dog, but she's getting better. She's starting to trust me more now, and all those things will develop with her through time. Actually, she's real real smart, so I guess she has one of those desirable qualities already!
You're doing the right thing though, and also, consider the size of your house and how much you value your carpets or hardwood floors..or anything else, for that matter. Also, if you are renting, are you 100% sure you can find another place that will let you have a dog, assuming said rental residence allows it? Even if your dog is an outside dog, I found that it requires alot more work and diligence on my part (mine are outside only) to keep them up to snuff with their sits, downs, all that, and since they aren't in the house with me always, I get more housework done (or less, depending lol) so I can go spent the evening with my girls.
FredsMom
06-04-2009, 04:44 PM
Im with Kye. I know GSs and Dobies and Rotties have these strong male stigmas attached to them. They have that, working dog will protect me stereotype, and, of course, are absolutely gorgeous!
Unfortunatly what everyone here has said is very true. These are dogs that require an experienced hand. This isn't to say they are the worst choice for you and it isn't necessarily saying you COULDN'T handle them. But dogs are a lot of hard work, especially ones with a tough reputation.
Everyone has pretty mcuh already said it: strict training, a lot of exercise, knowing how to handle the breed, the right breeder, etc. They all play a major role in an active dogs life.
Are you prepared to have your house completely destroyed? I'll tell you now, no matter how diligent you think you will be, something WILL get destroyed. Be it your favorite book, your chairs, your WALLS (yes, dogs have eaten the drywall out of walls before, its relatively common, i've had two dogs of my parents do this and my friends puppy has as well). Are you ready to say goodbye to shoes? Belts? Are you ready to completely puppy proof your house? And being a neat and olderly person will not always help. MY boyfriend is OCD about staying clean and tidy and organized and we have still had to say goodbye to some items.
Are you ready to spend close to 2K within the first year of the puppies life? Thats assuming you don't pay for the dog itself or get a good price. When I adopted my first dog on my own, just getting everything for him, his crate, food, bowls, toys, shots, nueter, vet visits, leashes, collars (you go through a few), flea and tick prevention and heartwork if needed, and everything and anything you wouldn't normally think of. Ran me almost 2 thousand and I didn't even pay an adoption fee. Are you ready for emergencies? Could you pay for the 1500 dollar surgery should your dog accidentally chew a sock and have it lodge in their intestine?
Are you ready to protect your dog against diseases before it has all its shots? This could mean it not seeing anything beyond your backyard for the first month or two you have it. Asking people to take their shoes off so they don't track anything in?
Are you ready to wake up 2 times every night (assuming the dog is 2 months to start) to let the dog go to the bathroom? Are you ready to lay there an dlisten to him yelp and cry at 3:00a.m. because he wants to play and doesn't want to be in his crate anymore? Or ready to let him cry it out because hes not used to his crate and its a new home and hes scared, but you can't go t him because he needs to learn he has to be calm to be allowd out?
Are you ready to have your bed peed on? Your favorite pillow ripped to shreds? That nice new dog bed you bought with him withe very good intention destroyed? Are you ready to pick up more dog poop and clean more dog pee you have EVER thought possible? As I kid around with everyone here: are you ready for your new puppy to redecorate your home however they see fit?
Grooming, nail clipping, constant need for attention? Ready to walk into work with scratch marks up and down your arm? Even if all you did was hug your little lovie?
Im not saying ANY OF THIS to deterr you from getting a dog. I just want the realities of it out there. Its expensive at times. Emerencies happen. Things break. Some times people get very lucky and its an easy ride. Sometimes, even someone who has raised 5 healthy and happy and well trained dogs get more than they bargained for. Especially with puppies and MORE especially with working class dogs who need something to occupy their time at ALL times to prevent anything from happening.
I welcome the idea of ANYONE who wants a new dog, providing they are prepared, mentally and financially, to take on the responsibility. Many dogs don't reach that calm period until they are older. And some dogs make amazingly trained companions from an early age. Fred was cuddely and friendly from day one but would take off any chance he had? Keeper? A massive ball of energy but always sticks by our sides. Layla. Insane and becoming quiet skilled and interior design.
Perhaps I can suggest starting off with a mix breed. Adopt instead of purchase. Im not saying NOT to go to a breeder. But I am thinking in terms of the breeds you are interested in and how best to get what you want while still being realistic. A lot of people think, well I can do this. Its a puppy so I can mold it into whatever I want. The thing is there are still some behaviors predisposed into a dog and there are behaviours almost ALL puppies will exhibit that if not taken care of immediately can turn into problems. One of these is mouthing. Puppies use their mouths to explore and learn. But a puppy that isn't taught to not use you as a chew toy will continue to nip and mouth into adult hood which could turn into biting later on.
My first dog was a German SHepard/Golden Retriever/Collie mix. She was high energy and was a working breed dog, but had an amazing temperment as well. And she was only 2.5 months when we brought her home. Still just a puppy. Would you consider looking into a Shepard/Golden mix? Or some sort of Rottie Mix? Perhaps one of the breeds you are interested mixed with a breed better known for their temperment? (Although remember, like Katie mentioned, any dog can turn on someone... its not to say one breed is better than another, im just going based on stereotypes).
http://www.sheprescue.org/images/Buffy%20face.jpg
That dog was rescued but its an example of a German/Golden mix.
Have you looked into RESCUES? Many times they have young mixed breeds.
I really would suggest a mixed breed to start out with. I dont know, maybe its because I did, but I feel like you' dhave an easier time learning how to train and work with a new dog before starting in on breeds that are known for needing a lot of training and work. Just a thought.
Good luck with your search and decision.
FredsMom
06-04-2009, 04:46 PM
Oh, I want to add, I was reading your post again, and you want a dog that is "loyal, protective, social and smart) and I want to just say that all dogs can be that way, not just big tough-looking ones! My collie/lab/what I'm sure is Pointer mix is all of those things. My collie/husky isn't, but she was handled badly and beaten and left by herself and she has basically no social skills outside of dealing with us and our other dog, but she's getting better. She's starting to trust me more now, and all those things will develop with her through time. Actually, she's real real smart, so I guess she has one of those desirable qualities already!
Madison (Kye) is right. I have border collies as well. Most loyal, loving and intelligent dogs i've come across. I think many of us feel that way about our dogs, regardlss of the breed.
But you want loyalty? Border collies are completely loyal and hard working and dubbed the most intelligent breed out there. Playful. But they too are a HUGE handful. I mean. Phew. Madison can attest. So can Lisa. You don't give these dogs what they need you're asking to have your sanity handed to you upside down on a wooden plate.
The breeds youre interested in, collies, and many other breeds, need work. not just for them but for your own sanity.
FredsMom
06-04-2009, 04:49 PM
Sorry for the long post and em, sorry for my MASSIVE amount of typos. Forgive me this one? Im just too tired to go back to correct and have been typing all day for work. Fingers hurt.
squashynose
06-04-2009, 05:01 PM
Sorry for the long post and em, sorry for my MASSIVE amount of typos. Forgive me this one? Im just too tired to go back to correct and have been typing all day for work. Fingers hurt.
It's alright, it was too long for me to read properly anyway :p I had to skim. I'm working on only 3 hours sleep today, thanks to curtains, dogs, and dodgy plumbing.
Husky06
06-04-2009, 05:08 PM
Yes, you're definately crazy! Training one pup is work, training two is insane! Nice choice though if you decide to go through with it.
How is Anubis coming? Getting ready for his BH? Moska is doing well. We got the sit, and hier down fairly well. The down is taking slightly longer and I'm teaching her targeting now as well.
No, not getting ready for his BH yet lol, at the moment I'm focusing more on drive building and we're starting tracking. I'll be waiting a few months before I really get focused on obedience. I did make another video of Anubis today, a few short clips doing drive building exercises. I did do a little tug with him on it once...though he is still teething so it's probably not the best idea to keep doing that. His back teeth came in, but now his "back back" teeth are coming in, those huge back ones. His k9 puppy teeth that are broken, old and chipped are still in there. I'm guessing he is going to be a pretty big dog seeing as the k9s come in last and Buck has his k9s already coming in.
FredsMom
06-04-2009, 05:17 PM
HAHA yea, I didnt realize it was that long until I posted.
OP, if you don't want to read it I understand. Basically its just a lot of warnings. Not bad ones. Just a lot of what you could potentially expect in getting a puppy, and a hyper working one at that.
I suggested looking into a mix of one of the breeds you want with a calmer gentler breed (based on stereotype at least).
It's because the wrong people are getting them for the wrong reason, and not raising them properly. They want a hard looking dog, so get a rottie/dobey, raise them to be hard, and then there's all the problems and bad press for these breeds. :banghead:
I wouldn't say don't get one, just make sure you know your stuff before you do. Breed specific rescues are an option. They'll assess all the dogs prior to homing, and will try to find something suitable for you.
By choosing one of these breeds, it's your duty to make sure it is a well behaved and well manners member of the community :D We need responsible owners to show that these breeds shouldn't be feared, or banned...
Oh, check out any BSL (Breed Specific Legislation) in your area.
Thank you I want know as much as possible this is why I raised the topic, it would of been worse if I headed to the rspca in Sydney without asking anyone or even doing some research about these dogs I'm not oblivious to the potentially menacing nature of any dog for that matter.
I have seen a bad rottweiler trainer/owner they used to give it hardly any attention or affection I remember the dog seeking some affection by wanting to place his head on their lap and the owner palmed it away I still remember the look on that rottweiler's face -heartbrocken- I encouraged it to come to me that moment and it was so happy everytime I used to go over their house it was always excited and used to run up to me.
One Bad GSD owner I knew would let its dog bark endlessly, so annoying..
If its one thing I have been told by my parents is that dont be scared of any dog because that might give them an excuse to get aggressive so I have been rather calm around these dogs and they havent shown erratic behavours except for that one GSD it wouldnt stop barking not matter what..
My neighbour has a black GSD and its a fine stable dog, full respect to him for the strict training..
Keep it coming everyone the more the better..
Sorry for the long post and em, sorry for my MASSIVE amount of typos. Forgive me this one? Im just too tired to go back to correct and have been typing all day for work. Fingers hurt.
Posts like that are what I was after for this topic, its fine.
FredsMom
06-04-2009, 06:41 PM
Cool. I can't speak for everyone but I will tell you, although our posts may wane cautions and we may seem hesitant, I would think MANY people on this thread are thankful that someone considering a pet is coming for advice BEFORE getting the pet rather than jumping in and freaking out.
We may throw things at you to caution you, but it really isn't to stop you from getting a dog, neither do we want to prevent you from getting what you want.
We just want to help make you as educated as we can via an internet thread to create the best situation for both you and the dog.
And just FYI. I will also warn you.
No matter how horrible they can be, no matter how much they destroy and no matter how many tmes they pee on your bed (you can ask the ladies here, i've got my hands full with a pee monster), when its the RIGHT match, be it what you originally wanted or what falls in your lap, its impossible to stop loving them.
Macawpower58
06-04-2009, 06:46 PM
Freds Mom gave you a very good idea of what a unruly pup can do.
If though you decide to crate train, and always have an eye on your pup, you can miss almost all of those scenarios. I've had nothing chewed, and very few accidents with my new pup. It's all in how diligent, and responsible you are when raising it. A cat nap on the sofa, or short stroll to talk to a neighbor, is plenty of time for an unsupervised pup to be a little wrecking ball.
FredsMom
06-04-2009, 06:52 PM
Exactly Becky.
Layla is crate trained, but if I decide to run to the bathroom and not put her back in? Or if she jumps onto my bed while my back is turned? We're doomed. All it takes her is about 30 seconds.
And like I said in the post. I was basically giving you worst case scenarios. You could potentially find a dog with all of those coming to light or not a single one. Even within a single breed, EVERY dog is different. But did feel it was best to warn you of the worse case (or is it worst, I think worse... right?) scenarios so you knew what to expect.
My parents first dog? Didn't destroy anything but had some potty incidents. Fred? Would chew everything but rarely had an accident inside and could sleep through the night from the get go. Layla? Well. Er. Devil spawn. (Keeper was an adult when we got her and was already trained).
Macawpower58
06-04-2009, 07:02 PM
Fred's Mom, I do know what you're talking about. One of my GSDs decided he didn't want to be left at a friends while we all went out to dinner. Their 13 year old son decided to stay and keep him company at their house.
He scratched and chewed right through their front door. The poor kid was too scared to try and stop him. We came back to a GSD sized hole in the door, and my boy lying on top of the hood of my car.
FredsMom
06-04-2009, 07:09 PM
OH MY hahahaha. Im sorry! I dont mean to laugh but the visual of that was hilarious.
Exactly. They just do these things. Its hard learning to NOT get mad at the dog and takes a LOT of patience to remember, they don't do things on purpose like we do.
Like when I left layla in the car, LITERALLY to swipe a card into the gas machine. You know, the pay outside kind, and when I got back less than a minute later, she was there peeing in my bag.
Did she just go to the bathroom not 10 minutes before we left the house? Did I not MOVE my bag to try and avoid this anyway? Did she find her way over to the bag anyway to give me the proverbial middle finger? Of course.
Or, and I know I Have a picture somewhere, I left Fred alone in his crate while I went to dinner when he was, oh say, about a year old. I come home and the three pillows that once served as his bed? Well, I guess he decided he wanted it to snow for the winter. All you could see was his head and his smile bobbing on top of all the fluff. Its a wonder I never had to take that dog in with all the stuff he loved to ingest. Feathers are his absolute favorite.
Each and every dog is work. I find that alot of people think they can just "have a dog" and thinks will be all good. My buddy told me his roomie was getting a papered purebred husky for $250, and I was like nnooooooo he can't do that, this guy is a complete idiot and thinks his husky pup is going to be happy riding around in the semi all day. Maybe, Kye drove for 16 hours straight without a problem (with pee and stretch breaks of course) but I know this character and he's all messed up and parties all the time and does bad stuff, and guess what the best part is! They're going to breed it!
Lol, so I was all over that. "You really think you should breed a $250 dog?" "Well yeah, it has papers!" "That doesn't mean a thing." "But then we could sell the puppies!" (and here is where I laughed) "So you can make more dogs like Kye and Rio to get abandoned in the snow and stay tied to trees their whole lives?" etc etc etc and I just hope they don't do it. I hope they don't even get the dog. They live in a little house in the city with no yard, for starters.
Freds Mom gave you a very good idea of what a unruly pup can do.
If though you decide to crate train, and always have an eye on your pup, you can miss almost all of those scenarios. I've had nothing chewed, and very few accidents with my new pup. It's all in how diligent, and responsible you are when raising it. A cat nap on the sofa, or short stroll to talk to a neighbor, is plenty of time for an unsupervised pup to be a little wrecking ball.
Crate training sounds interesting, what is it exactly Mac?
pipsie71
06-05-2009, 08:45 AM
I think all of the responses, especially from 'fred's mom' are brilliant and should be really helpful to you. Tilly is my first puppy, she's a cross breed, and although she hasn't destroyed anything we've had problems with separation anxiety for whihc we had to call in a behaviourist (v expensive!). Mt friend told me that however good your puppy is, they will at some point reduce you to tears, and I have found this to be true, mainly through sheer exhaustion! I wouldn't be without her now, but I think it is good that you are seeking advice before taking on a dog/puppy. Good luck!
Macawpower58
06-05-2009, 10:59 AM
Crate training sounds interesting, what is it exactly Mac?
Crate training is like the playpen and crib you have for a toddler. It keeps the pup corralled when you're not watching. When your potty training, it's used as a means of teaching the pup only after an outdoor event, will they get to play in the house. No event, back to the crate for a short time, then another chance to potty. It teaches the pup to control themselves until taken outdoors. Accidents in the crate are also much easier to clean. It serves later in life as the dog's den or safe place. Many older dogs not confined anymore still choose to use the crate for naps.
FredsMom
06-05-2009, 01:16 PM
Crate training is like the playpen and crib you have for a toddler. It keeps the pup corralled when you're not watching. When your potty training, it's used as a means of teaching the pup only after an outdoor event, will they get to play in the house. No event, back to the crate for a short time, then another chance to potty. It teaches the pup to control themselves until taken outdoors. Accidents in the crate are also much easier to clean. It serves later in life as the dog's den or safe place. Many older dogs not confined anymore still choose to use the crate for naps.
How true how true. We set up the crate for keeper to stay in right after her spay (BTW guys? OMG. She was spayed monday, she's back to 90% today. Its like she never got spayed. that dog is a trooper. We're keeping her calm and not bringing her out just yet to err on caution, but really, shes acting like nothing happeneD). Anyway I digress. We set the crate up to keep her safe from the terror that is Layla (i do love her everyone, want to clarify that, she's just a terror sometimes, which learned a new trick! WOO). and Keeper didn't like it. So she slept on the couch with a towel under her. We didnt get a chance to break the crate down again before Fred claimed it back as his own. Now? You can find him laying in there with the door open at any given time. I think when we get the house we'll bring it outside so he has a play to lay in the shade outside when we're all relaxing out there. WOO.
Its important to get the rigth pens and crates btw. Not something you can just walk in and grab. First you need to consider size. When crate training its important to only give the dog JUST enough room to move around. Stand, Sit, Lay and Turn around. NO more room than that. The idea behin that is a healthy pup won't go to the bathroom where they sleep (unless something is wrong or they were left in too long). And pens? Well that 2 footer may seem just fine in the begining but as soon as that puppy learns to move? Good chance it will jump out. Because you're just starting from scratch I would suggest getting a pen that was at least 4 ft tall. Bit more expensive but will be worth it when your puppy can't get out when you're not watching. I also suggest starting iwth a crate that has a divider or can accomidate a divider. This is helpful because you can use the divider to give your puppy JUST enough space and increase it as the puppy gets older. This way you only need one crate for the duration of the dogs life. The other option is to buy a new crate everytime the dog needs it. So its kind of like a difference of paying 150 dollars one time or spending 50 + each time you buy a new crate (think the small one will be about 40, then the next size you'll pay 70, then the next size 100, etc. so its more worth it to get the divider in the long run).
D777 - Kye (Madison) has some great advice on crate training. She has two crazy border collie mixes (insanely high energy) and used crating on them (right? or am I thinking of someone else?). Also, Mandy is our Go-To gal when it comes to good nutrition. Have you thought about what you would like to feed the dog? Many of us on here are advocates of Raw Feeding which is essentially giving your dog raw meat on bones (like chicken). There is a ratio you use as well 80% flesh, 10% innards (anything from liver, gizzards, kidney, hearts, etc) and 10% bone. Don't worry, as long as the meat is 100% uncooked, the bones are not only ok for them but good for them too.
OR if you would prefer to go the kibble route there are a handful of great brands that we advocate on here too. Ones that are corn and grain free, that have a good amount of meat in them, etc.
Here is a link to a pet adoption agency in Australia. I think you mentioned being in Sydney right? (Side note, some very good friends of mine are coming to visit from Melbourne in a month and a few others from NZ. Very excited!)
http://www.petrescue.com.au/search/?a=d&g=a&s=p&l=a&a_id=
and a GS rescue in Australia
http://www.gsdrescue.org.au/IndexA.html
I dontk now the geography over there but these are just examples. Im suggesting them for a few reasons
a) you could get the breed you want but perhaps a mix which may help with some of the purebreds training hurdles.
b) whether its 2 months, 5 months or 3 years, a foster will more often than not work to make sure its the RIGHT fit. This means not only will you bond with the dog but the dog will bond with you. The foster we got Keeper from has a personal policy where he actually won't adopt a dog out to a family unless he sees the click happen. Because of this all his adoptions work out as forever adoptions and we all actually stay in close contact with each other (seriously, we get the dogs together regularly to see each other)
c) less expensive AND if there isa purebred you adopt, many times the foster WILL have the papers for the dog. Keeper is a registered purebred and we have all of her papers and medical records dating back to when she was born.
d) You're saving a life! lol Sorry, had to throw that one in there.
Im not against breeders, personally. I won't tell you you are wrong if that is the route you do want to take. In fact there are some benefits to working witha GOOD breeder. You can check the line that the puppy is coming from, if its a reputable breeder and you dont mind spending a pretty penny, many times they'll breed out some of the problems the breed might have, a good breeder will do exentive research on YOU to make sure you're a good fit for the puppy, etc. But I will advocate rescue over breeding just because there are so many AMAZING dogs out there that need good homes.
D777 - Kye (Madison) has some great advice on crate training. She has two crazy border collie mixes (insanely high energy) and used crating on them (right? or am I thinking of someone else?). Also, Mandy is our Go-To gal when it comes to good nutrition. Have you thought about what you would like to feed the dog? Many of us on here are advocates of Raw Feeding which is essentially giving your dog raw meat on bones (like chicken). There is a ratio you use as well 80% flesh, 10% innards (anything from liver, gizzards, kidney, hearts, etc) and 10% bone. Don't worry, as long as the meat is 100% uncooked, the bones are not only ok for them but good for them too.
Yes, they're both crate trained, and it was helpful for Kye when she was inside as well as dealing with both of them outside. I kennel them outside together and they come in and sleep in separate crates at night. On hot days, I like to put them in the garage cuz it's nice and cool in there, and usually have to crate them or else they'll get into everything.
Crate training is good too for when you have to take them to the vet, or on a car ride, or a hotel or an airplane or when there are young children around that your exuberant pup can knock down and scare, any number of things are made SO much easier when your dog will willingly go in their "den" to relax. I can put their crates anywhere and they feel secure because it's their crate, their place to be, and they know it's safe. And never use a crate for punishment, it always needs to be a good place to be.
If you want more info as to how to go about all this, just ask us :) I think we all know the concept behind it for the most part. I love my crates.
I feed raw as well. The girls are doing great on it, my older pup's teeth wer almost glow-in-the-dark last night! Alot of people worry because we were all told that chicken bones = death for dogs, but that only applies to cooked bone. The heat changes the structure and makes the brittle. My girls crunch right throught them.
Lol, they got some grouse and venison for breakfast yesterday, and Rio got a chicken leg and some fish and Kye got more grouse and fish, and then Rio's fish after awhile cuz Rio didn't eat it.
katiem
06-05-2009, 01:51 PM
Question for the OP: What made you narrow your choice down to these three breeds? What is the appeal?
Your choices remind me very much of my own when I was finally able to get my own dog. I wanted a Dogue De Bordeaux, Doberman or Rottweiler. I was going into dog ownership with 10 years of experience working with dogs, living with dogs, and loving dogs but never having one that was all mine. I chose only after years of research, meeting dogs of the breed and visiting breeders. Sure, it was a long process and there were times I just wanted to take whatever puppy was handed to me, but in the end I got a dog that is the perfect match for me and I wouldn't trade him for the world.
Oh, and I chose Rottweiler, in case you didn't know.;)
FredsMom
06-05-2009, 01:58 PM
We found Rabbit at a local butcher and have been feeding them that for the past few days. They LOVE it madison! HAHA. But its more expensive so it's kind of just a treat while we could afford it. Backt o chicken next purchase ;)
Ooh rabbit. Tasty. Rio ate her fish this morning, so that's cool. I'm going to call up a butcher and see what he has on offer.
D777 - Kye (Madison) has some great advice on crate training. She has two crazy border collie mixes (insanely high energy) and used crating on them (right? or am I thinking of someone else?). Also, Mandy is our Go-To gal when it comes to good nutrition. Have you thought about what you would like to feed the dog? Many of us on here are advocates of Raw Feeding which is essentially giving your dog raw meat on bones (like chicken). There is a ratio you use as well 80% flesh, 10% innards (anything from liver, gizzards, kidney, hearts, etc) and 10% bone. Don't worry, as long as the meat is 100% uncooked, the bones are not only ok for them but good for them too.
OR if you would prefer to go the kibble route there are a handful of great brands that we advocate on here too. Ones that are corn and grain free, that have a good amount of meat in them, etc.
What you just said is true Border collies do have alot of energy I seen a few around and one was part of a tv series.
I have thought about what to feed the dog, food like off cuts (Not off as in out of date or expired, off cuts are the bits of meat that still remain after the butcher has removed the meat from the carcass of the animal), bones, on a good day a whole chicken, innards as well and also some left overs.
I want to know the dangerous foods for dogs, I have heard that onions and chocolate are dangerous for the dog what else is there?
Here is a link to a pet adoption agency in Australia. I think you mentioned being in Sydney right? (Side note, some very good friends of mine are coming to visit from Melbourne in a month and a few others from NZ. Very excited!)
http://www.petrescue.com.au/search/?a=d&g=a&s=p&l=a&a_id=
and a GS rescue in Australia
http://www.gsdrescue.org.au/IndexA.html
I dontk now the geography over there but these are just examples. Im suggesting them for a few reasons
a) you could get the breed you want but perhaps a mix which may help with some of the purebreds training hurdles.
b) whether its 2 months, 5 months or 3 years, a foster will more often than not work to make sure its the RIGHT fit. This means not only will you bond with the dog but the dog will bond with you. The foster we got Keeper from has a personal policy where he actually won't adopt a dog out to a family unless he sees the click happen. Because of this all his adoptions work out as forever adoptions and we all actually stay in close contact with each other (seriously, we get the dogs together regularly to see each other)
c) less expensive AND if there isa purebred you adopt, many times the foster WILL have the papers for the dog. Keeper is a registered purebred and we have all of her papers and medical records dating back to when she was born.
d) You're saving a life! lol Sorry, had to throw that one in there.
Im not against breeders, personally. I won't tell you you are wrong if that is the route you do want to take. In fact there are some benefits to working witha GOOD breeder. You can check the line that the puppy is coming from, if its a reputable breeder and you dont mind spending a pretty penny, many times they'll breed out some of the problems the breed might have, a good breeder will do exentive research on YOU to make sure you're a good fit for the puppy, etc. But I will advocate rescue over breeding just because there are so many AMAZING dogs out there that need good homes.
Yea I wanted to rescue a dog and I still do, right know I need to know as much as possible to maintain a healthy and stable dog, also toilet training too is something important as well, for a puppy is it every 2 hours I need to to take him out of the house to do his business and/or what particular signs will the dog display if it needs to go?
Yes, they're both crate trained, and it was helpful for Kye when she was inside as well as dealing with both of them outside. I kennel them outside together and they come in and sleep in separate crates at night. On hot days, I like to put them in the garage cuz it's nice and cool in there, and usually have to crate them or else they'll get into everything.
Crate training is good too for when you have to take them to the vet, or on a car ride, or a hotel or an airplane or when there are young children around that your exuberant pup can knock down and scare, any number of things are made SO much easier when your dog will willingly go in their "den" to relax. I can put their crates anywhere and they feel secure because it's their crate, their place to be, and they know it's safe. And never use a crate for punishment, it always needs to be a good place to be.
If you want more info as to how to go about all this, just ask us :) I think we all know the concept behind it for the most part. I love my crates.
I feed raw as well. The girls are doing great on it, my older pup's teeth wer almost glow-in-the-dark last night! Alot of people worry because we were all told that chicken bones = death for dogs, but that only applies to cooked bone. The heat changes the structure and makes the brittle. My girls crunch right throught them.
Lol, they got some grouse and venison for breakfast yesterday, and Rio got a chicken leg and some fish and Kye got more grouse and fish, and then Rio's fish after awhile cuz Rio didn't eat it.
I would like some more info on crate training :) I want to keep my books, shoes, belts socks and other items this would also pretect the do too from going near the cables (god forbid) I have a pair of runners that I wear when I run on a weekly basis which for the puppy they may be saturated full of sweaty goodness and very tempting for the dog and I want to keep these runners and other things :cool:
Question for the OP: What made you narrow your choice down to these three breeds? What is the appeal?
Your choices remind me very much of my own when I was finally able to get my own dog. I wanted a Dogue De Bordeaux, Doberman or Rottweiler. I was going into dog ownership with 10 years of experience working with dogs, living with dogs, and loving dogs but never having one that was all mine. I chose only after years of research, meeting dogs of the breed and visiting breeders. Sure, it was a long process and there were times I just wanted to take whatever puppy was handed to me, but in the end I got a dog that is the perfect match for me and I wouldn't trade him for the world.
Oh, and I chose Rottweiler, in case you didn't know.;)
what made me narrow down my choices of breed down to these three was I had the most exposure and interaction with these dogs, with the GSD I found them quite energetic (border collies are energetic too) and the sort of dog that is playful and overall a versitile dog for the rottweiler I found it to be a very loving and affectionate dog, the doberman I have found to be a quiet dog and doesnt really bark unless its necessary with out too much training and it appears to be an elegant dog.
I do prefer one of these dogs also as a guard which has importance too, the area is rather safe I have seen very few druggies, hoodlums or other scum in my area (thank god), still this also my preferance to have it as a guard.
These dogs as most of us know have been involved in military, police and customs there is work for me to do, I do go to the local park during the week and it will fit in my schedule just fine, the dog can run around while I do my exercise that way we both let out some steam.
Yes I saw your display picture what can you tell me about your rottweiler in terms of behaviour and maintenance?
katiem
06-06-2009, 12:13 PM
Yes I saw your display picture what can you tell me about your rottweiler in terms of behaviour and maintenance?
I paid a pretty penny for my Rottweiler, but I don't regret a cent of it. He is a pretty mild mannered dude with a very easy going nature, but its taken almost 3 years of constant work to keep him that way.
Behavior? He needs a routine, and he needs a firm owner who will remind him that he is not alpha. He is a smart dog, which means you have to be a smart owner. Keep him busy, mentally and physically. Really not a dog for the inexperienced owner.
Maintenance is fairly straight forward. Grooming is minimal. They eat well and can become porkers quickly. Exercise is important.
I hear a lot of people saying they want certain breeds for their guarding abilities. I think a lot of people don't realize that a good guard dog is a well trained one. A dog like the ones we've mentioned can become lethal monsters if left to guard they way they see fit. Don't just expect to put him on a leash and have a dog who is wonderful, but knows when to defend you. That is something you have to work for.
I hope that made sense...I'm down with the flu and my head is a bit fuzzy.
What you just said is true Border collies do have alot of energy I seen a few around and one was part of a tv series.
I have thought about what to feed the dog, food like off cuts (Not off as in out of date or expired, off cuts are the bits of meat that still remain after the butcher has removed the meat from the carcass of the animal), bones, on a good day a whole chicken, innards as well and also some left overs.
I want to know the dangerous foods for dogs, I have heard that onions and chocolate are dangerous for the dog what else is there?
Onions, chocolate, booze, garlic, grapes, raisins, hops, spices, um anything with seeds in it I wouldn't feed, or pits from plums or peaches, certain kinds of mushrooms, citrusy fruits or citrus oils, persimmons...there's a sticky I think in the Feeding Frenzy dog section called "poison for dogs" and it has much more there.
Otherwise, I give my girls apples and carrots as treats, but apples have alot of fibre so don't feed too many or you'll have lots of poop (well, more poop than usual, lol) to clean up!
Yea I wanted to rescue a dog and I still do, right know I need to know as much as possible to maintain a healthy and stable dog, also toilet training too is something important as well, for a puppy is it every 2 hours I need to to take him out of the house to do his business and/or what particular signs will the dog display if it needs to go?
It doesn't always have to be two hours on the dot, your pup will let you know. You have to pay very close attention to your pup or dog during housetraining. Every time the dog pees in the house is the owner's fault, technically. Because if he doesn't know he's not supposed to potty in the house, it's the owner's job to show him, and puppies don't get it right away, so you always have to watch so you can catch him going and show him where to go. Puppy pads are useless, really, because you don't want to teach him that it's okay to pee inside, anywhere, ever. Outside and outside only. A good way to do this is to tie them to you, or gate off anywhere you can't see them or don't want them getting in to. They'll sneak out of sight for a second and make their mess.
A dog or puppy will tell you it has to go in lots of ways. They could pace around, be smelling things more intently, circling an area with their nose down, or just display general "I have to pee!" vibes. You want to pick one word and use it always for potting, say it the same way and don't make a big deal of it. Don't throw a fuss if he poops on the carpet. Just scoop him up, take him outside and stay with him, and say your potty phrase in a tone you can always use, and be quiet and let him do his business. Alot of puppies won't potty if they're playing! After, and besides, you're there to potty, not play. Playtime comes after the potty, yay run around have a party, and then you can go back outside for another pee, since all the exercise will make him have to go again.
A pup will usually have to go upon waking and playing, and about 10-15 minutes if not sooner after they eat. The food doesn't go through them that fast, it's the eating that stimulates them to go.
I would like some more info on crate training I want to keep my books, shoes, belts socks and other items this would also pretect the do too from going near the cables (god forbid) I have a pair of runners that I wear when I run on a weekly basis which for the puppy they may be saturated full of sweaty goodness and very tempting for the dog and I want to keep these runners and other things
Being crate trained makes housetraining easier. A dog is properly crate trained when he will go in without a problem, staying in it quietly, and won't potty in it. A dog won't potty in it's "living space", which is what the crate will be, his sanctuary where he can relax after performing all this puppy duties throughout the day, and a place that he can feel safe, be safe and keep your stuff safe!
In order to go about this, feed him right in front of the crate. Not inside, you want a nice blanket and a nice toy of some sort. Make it inviting, right? You want him to associate the crate with good things, and for this reason, never put the pup in the crate as punishment. The next day, feed him just inside the crate. Try to incorporate the crate into various things, and don't always ask him to go in there and shut the door on him. Throw little treats in there for him to go get. You can put him in there at night, unless you want him (and possibly his pee) in your bed, but it's important to remember to never go to him when he's crying to get out. Going to him will only teach him that crying brings attention. He must learn that he only comes out when he's quiet.
With the crate and housetraining, he should learn that unless and until he goes to the bathroom outside (this is before he is housetrained) he stays in the crate. If he is crate trained properly, this isn't an issue. It is not cruel to use a crate for training purposes, it gets cruel when they are left in there for hours at a time and have no interaction with you.
Say, in the morning, you take him out of his crate first thing for a pee, and if he goes pee and poo, yay! Big party and inside for feeding. If only pee, wait awhile longer and see if any poo comes out. Potty time is not play time. Resist the urge of your pup wanting to play with you, this is seriious training time :) and if he goes neither, back in the crate for 10 more minutes, and back outside again to potty. Continue like that until he potties. He'll soon learn that pottying outside as opposed to inside = great things like food and playing and loving.
These dogs as most of us know have been involved in military, police and customs there is work for me to do, I do go to the local park during the week and it will fit in my schedule just fine, the dog can run around while I do my exercise that way we both let out some steam.
I just wanted to add here that the breeds of dogs you specifically want aren't going to be satisfied with just running around by himself. Now, I don't know what it is you do for exercise, but if you do running and stuff, that's good, just don't make a young dog do too much, but if you do some sort of stationary exercise and just let the dog run free, it won't be enough stimulation for him. Also, if you get a young dog, don't let him off leash until you are SURE 100% very very sure that he will come when called. Some dogs go completely deaf to you sometimes, and that can be dangerous depending on the situation.
Jazza
06-06-2009, 08:54 PM
Hello and welcome..
I have been thinking for about a few months about following through and getting a pet and I want to get a pet dog.
I have considered several breeds of dog and I have narrowed it down to three: Rottweiler, German shepherd and Doberman I have interacted with a Rottweiler and a few German shepherds before but not a Doberman.
I want a dog that is loyal, protective, social and smart so I would like some guidance and further information about those breeds since you would know alot about these types of dogs.
I'm eager to know more about them before I have one of them in our home..
If you want a smart loyal and social dog a labradore is the way to go they are fantastic dogs but protective? they may lick a attacker to death if you want protective + all the others get a german shepherd. or some kind of farming dog (They all need LOTS of exercise(Farming dogs that is))
Onions, chocolate, booze, garlic, grapes, raisins, hops, spices, um anything with seeds in it I wouldn't feed, or pits from plums or peaches, certain kinds of mushrooms, citrusy fruits or citrus oils, persimmons...there's a sticky I think in the Feeding Frenzy dog section called "poison for dogs" and it has much more there.
Otherwise, I give my girls apples and carrots as treats, but apples have alot of fibre so don't feed too many or you'll have lots of poop (well, more poop than usual, lol) to clean up!
I will definitely have a read of "poison for dogs" in the Feeding Frenzy dog section, I want to maintain a healthy and stable dog by offering meat alternatives it will promote health and sensual stimulation.
It doesn't always have to be two hours on the dot, your pup will let you know. You have to pay very close attention to your pup or dog during housetraining. Every time the dog pees in the house is the owner's fault, technically. Because if he doesn't know he's not supposed to potty in the house, it's the owner's job to show him, and puppies don't get it right away, so you always have to watch so you can catch him going and show him where to go. Puppy pads are useless, really, because you don't want to teach him that it's okay to pee inside, anywhere, ever. Outside and outside only. A good way to do this is to tie them to you, or gate off anywhere you can't see them or don't want them getting in to. They'll sneak out of sight for a second and make their mess.
A dog or puppy will tell you it has to go in lots of ways. They could pace around, be smelling things more intently, circling an area with their nose down, or just display general "I have to pee!" vibes. You want to pick one word and use it always for potting, say it the same way and don't make a big deal of it. Don't throw a fuss if he poops on the carpet. Just scoop him up, take him outside and stay with him, and say your potty phrase in a tone you can always use, and be quiet and let him do his business. Alot of puppies won't potty if they're playing! After, and besides, you're there to potty, not play. Playtime comes after the potty, yay run around have a party, and then you can go back outside for another pee, since all the exercise will make him have to go again.
A pup will usually have to go upon waking and playing, and about 10-15 minutes if not sooner after they eat. The food doesn't go through them that fast, it's the eating that stimulates them to go.
Being crate trained makes housetraining easier. A dog is properly crate trained when he will go in without a problem, staying in it quietly, and won't potty in it. A dog won't potty in it's "living space", which is what the crate will be, his sanctuary where he can relax after performing all this puppy duties throughout the day, and a place that he can feel safe, be safe and keep your stuff safe!
In order to go about this, feed him right in front of the crate. Not inside, you want a nice blanket and a nice toy of some sort. Make it inviting, right? You want him to associate the crate with good things, and for this reason, never put the pup in the crate as punishment. The next day, feed him just inside the crate. Try to incorporate the crate into various things, and don't always ask him to go in there and shut the door on him. Throw little treats in there for him to go get. You can put him in there at night, unless you want him (and possibly his pee) in your bed, but it's important to remember to never go to him when he's crying to get out. Going to him will only teach him that crying brings attention. He must learn that he only comes out when he's quiet.
With the crate and housetraining, he should learn that unless and until he goes to the bathroom outside (this is before he is housetrained) he stays in the crate. If he is crate trained properly, this isn't an issue. It is not cruel to use a crate for training purposes, it gets cruel when they are left in there for hours at a time and have no interaction with you.
Say, in the morning, you take him out of his crate first thing for a pee, and if he goes pee and poo, yay! Big party and inside for feeding. If only pee, wait awhile longer and see if any poo comes out. Potty time is not play time. Resist the urge of your pup wanting to play with you, this is seriious training time :) and if he goes neither, back in the crate for 10 more minutes, and back outside again to potty. Continue like that until he potties. He'll soon learn that pottying outside as opposed to inside = great things like food and playing and loving.
Thats fantastic!
I just wanted to add here that the breeds of dogs you specifically want aren't going to be satisfied with just running around by himself. Now, I don't know what it is you do for exercise, but if you do running and stuff, that's good, just don't make a young dog do too much, but if you do some sort of stationary exercise and just let the dog run free, it won't be enough stimulation for him. Also, if you get a young dog, don't let him off leash until you are SURE 100% very very sure that he will come when called. Some dogs go completely deaf to you sometimes, and that can be dangerous depending on the situation.
For exercise depending on which day I go to the park it varies between running and stationary and I have thought of getting a vortex mega howler its fantastic it can be thrown to about 70 metres (um 68-71 yards?) thanks to its light weight and aerodynamic construction it makes a howling sound as well so the dog would love to chase that thing even if I'm tired in between sessions during my exercise in the park the vortex can go very far with not so much power maybe 40-50 (38-51 yards?) metres I have loads of tennis balls and golf balls still and some deflated soccer balls and my parents have been telling me to get rid of them or give them away, they can be good fun for the dog indoors and outdoors.
By the way because of the light weight nature of the vortex I will teach the dog to bite it carefully if I see that its biting it too hard I will command "drop it!" of course I will teach this command beforehand.
And yes I wont let the dog of the leash too early and for too long unless I can trust it 100%.
If you want a smart loyal and social dog a labradore is the way to go they are fantastic dogs but protective? they may lick a attacker to death if you want protective + all the others get a german shepherd. or some kind of farming dog (They all need LOTS of exercise(Farming dogs that is))
lol @ lick a stranger to death, love conquers all :D
We have a small one storey house the yard is ok not large though, I go down to the park during the week for running and other exercises and I have lots off tennis, golf and soccer balls to keep the dog entertained would you think that a german shepherd would be comfortable in this type of indoor environment? its not a small dog when it grows..
FredsMom
06-06-2009, 10:38 PM
Its too much for me to read right now but I do want to say its awesome to see someone researching and learning as much as they can before getting a dog. its awesome.
Jazza
06-07-2009, 04:42 AM
lol @ lick a stranger to death, love conquers all :D
We have a small one storey house the yard is ok not large though, I go down to the park during the week for running and other exercises and I have lots off tennis, golf and soccer balls to keep the dog entertained would you think that a german shepherd would be comfortable in this type of indoor environment? its not a small dog when it grows..
Well i had a german shepherd when i was really young it was put down got bitten by a snake. it seemed fine we were on 1 1/2 acres
as long as they got something to do they are fine
katiem
06-08-2009, 01:29 PM
Its too much for me to read right now but I do want to say its awesome to see someone researching and learning as much as they can before getting a dog. its awesome.
I double the sentiments! If only everyone was this committed!:)
I still think that experience should be gained through a mixed breed dog or a less demanding breed.
But that's just me.
FredsMom
06-08-2009, 02:30 PM
Ive said it before. I agree with Madison.
D7 - Don't think any of us are actively trying to talk you out of getting a dog or even going after the breed you want. Just, with our experience, want you to have the best experience of your own possible, and many times, even someone with years under their belt of working with dogs find themselves in an impossible situation.
Training is hard as it is. But to have a dog that REQUIRES it? Like with Rotties. Yes, fantastic breed. Gorgeous, Loyal, great watch dog. But training isn't an option. Its mandetory. And by that I don't mean sit, heal, stay, etc. Im sure Katie iwll tell you. These are LARGE (I mean they weight the same as a human can!) and strong willed dogs. VERY intelligent but I can tell you from experience with my own intelligent dog, that can sometimes work AGAINST you, not just with you.
We all say it here, its not the dog thats bad, its the owner. And we dont awlays mean it maliciously or that the owner is INTENTIONALLY being a bad owner. Its just there are times where a breed is just stronger than the owner. I spent half the weekend on my knees with Layla (HAHAHA oh boy, sounds dirty huh), just working with her. Getting her to understand who the boss is, cleaning, training. Hovering over here while she fought me like a Bull in a ring. Seriously. This 10 week old puppy thinks she is the boss and its been VERY hard work trying to get her into her place. And thats the intelligence in her. She's smart enought o know if she fights long enough, she MAY have a chance of beating me out (unfortunately for her I'm willing to get bruises on my knees).
What about a Rottie mix? I've seen some of the MOST GORGEOUS dogs that are part Rottie. My favorite so far? This Husky Rottie mix. OH MAN. She is slimmer, like a Huskiem but still has somewhat of a Rottie Face and these Ice Blue eyes. I mean seriously. I love my dogs. I think they are gorgeous. But this dog? Wow. And such a great temporment.
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_vz0yjcxbImY/R_GW_9xCKTI/AAAAAAAAAMk/ucGcdHHse-Y/Austin.JPG
http://www.pawsforyou.org/jabimages/remo.jpg
katiem
06-08-2009, 02:36 PM
Or you could just rescue from a breed specific rescue, get a nice adult dog with a stable temperament that has the basic ideas of training already. I know there are thousands of Shepherds, Rotties and Dobies out there looking for homes, and I'm sure there are some that could be alright with a first time owner. Just ask the people at the rescues, or the foster parents, and don't over estimate your abilities.
FredsMom
06-08-2009, 02:55 PM
Another fantastic idea katie
squashynose
06-08-2009, 05:49 PM
Another fantastic idea katie
...and Emily :( ;)
FredsMom
06-08-2009, 07:02 PM
And emily!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(Sorry Em! I have the worst, ok not the worst, short attention span so I basically respond to whatever the last few threads are).
katiem
06-09-2009, 09:48 AM
...and Emily :( ;)
You crack me up!
Sorry for the repeat.
Macawpower58
06-09-2009, 10:56 AM
I agree for the most part with everyone else, these are special breeds to own, and take added work. I like Katie's idea also.
But, a German Shepherd was my first dog, and I never felt I made a mistake, though I did get one from a petstore that died at 3 years from liver failure. If you're heart is set on one of these working breeds, just do your homework, and know what you're getting. Research the different types (each of these breeds can have different strains) and make sure the one you get matches your lifestyle. Research breeders and make sure the breeder you pick has the welfare of the breed at heart.
kiksmom
06-10-2009, 01:31 AM
I tried to read through most of the posts then somewhere in the middle skipped to the end. I just wanted to say that I whole heartedly agree with the with what another member said about there being no bad dogs, only bad breeding and bad owners.
I adopted a pit mix that was going to be destroyed. I didn't need him and didn't want him, but ended up with him. I took him to a trainer that supposedly specialized in pits with behavior problems, she went so far as to call herself a behaviorlist. Anyway, she told me to take him back, get my adoption fee, and let them destroy him. Long story short, I kept him, and after alot of discipline and alot of love, he is the keeper of my heart. He is the WORST watch dog there is. He would sooner give you a tour of the house to show you where the valuables are than bite you. He would have been a terrible choice for a first time owner, but that doesn't make him a terrible dog.
My 2 cents is adopt a mutt.
I would also suggest that if you insist on getting one of those three breeds, do not get a cheap one from the newspaper or petstore. Alot of people breed their dogs and are oblivious to any behaviours (or not, same goes with health issues) and breed them anyways and end up popping out a bunch of unstable dogs.
When I got Rio spayed, a bunch of people I know have me heck cuz `she`s so cute, she`ll have such nice puppies! etc etc`...it`s sad, you know, what some people don`t know. Rio is fearful and shy and has issues. So WHY OH WHY would I make her have pups, give them away, and they could quite possibly have issues from their unstable mother...and then end up in the shelter, or tied to a tree with no interaction like she was..or, they could just throw them out on the highway like my other dog...
I dunno. I`m trying tp make a point but I don`t know if I`m making sense..