Dog Bite May be Infected

[blueparadise]

May Basset Hound got bitten by my neighbors dog and now I think it may be infected. I cleaned it right away with peroxide and put triple antibiotic on it. It happened yesterday and now today it looks swollen and purple. I know that it may be bruising but I am worried. She is pregnant and I don't want to give her something that may hurt her pups.

Blue Paradise

[lindsayanng]

this is the second time something like this has happened. It seems that you need some more issues resolved.. Obviously, an infection in a open wound is VERY serious and should be seen by a vet only. There is nothing you can do from home because antibiotics are all that treats infection.

I KNOW i am going to be called "mean" but you NEED to stop breeding. you are always here with issues in a pregnant dog that you cant afford to see a vet.

[blueparadise]

I did not say that I could not afford to take her to the vet. But this only happened yesterday! I have bred my dog to a dog that has good blood lines and I already have people that are interested in the pups. At one time I had some financial problems and could not take my dog to the vet. Things are stable for me now and I have no problems taking her to the vet. Besides, it is really none of your business if and when I breed my dog!! If I am not welcome here, than I don't have to be here!!!:mad:

[blueparadise]

And yes this may be the second time that I have posted something like this. We have problems with our neighbors dogs that keep coming on my property and attacking my dogs. How do you think that I can stop that? Do you think that I want this to happen?

[fancee10]

this is the second time something like this has happened. It seems that you need some more issues resolved.. Obviously, an infection in a open wound is VERY serious and should be seen by a vet only. There is nothing you can do from home because antibiotics are all that treats infection.

I KNOW i am going to be called "mean" but you NEED to stop breeding. you are always here with issues in a pregnant dog that you cant afford to see a vet.


I totally agree here. BYB rarely seek the help of a vet and this is obviously something that needs to be handled by a vet. A pregnant dog that has been botten by another dog is nothing to mess with. Regardless of how many want one of the puppies, it seems you have had past issues and this is common sense to see a vet.

This truly bothers me that you are asking for help on a forum. I have a rescue filled with puppies with medical issues because a BYB did not seek prompt medical attention for the pregnant female in similar situations that you are describing here, and the babies are the ones who also suffered

[blueparadise]

My dog has seen a vet 3 times since she got pregnant! Yes, I had an unwanted pregnancy with her the last time but this was planned. This is a simple bite to the ear, not a violent attack as you all are thinking. The bite happened late yesterday, I treated it, it is bruised today and I just wanted to know if anyone else had any ideas. Others have posted questions on this forum and I have never seen anyone react the way that you have here. Like I said, if I am unwanted and unwelcome here, than I don't need to belong to this forum. Let me know and I will just cease to post.

Blue

[tiffers]

...generally, bites to the ear are pretty wretched. She may be getting what is called a 'hematoma' were the blood vessels inside the ear burst (from shaking or trauma) and start to fill the ear. Surgery is needed to correct these type of problems. If you feel that it is becoming infected (like an abscess) it will need to be drained. Be careful what kinds of antibiotic ointment you're using...some absorb into the blood stream and can harm the pups...or so I've heard. I don't know the proof behind that. Definitely give your vet a call.

[blueparadise]

Thanks Tiffers. At least I got an answer without all the complaining about me! I planned on calling my vet in the morning anyway. I have to file a report with animal control and I have to have a vet report. But I would want him to check her anyway because she rolled down a 1 foot hill and landed in the pond. I want to make sure her and the pups are OK. To Whom it May Concern: I am not a BYB! I have bred many dogs in my life. It has just been a while. If you would like to check out some of my former dogs, Google, Breckenrich Kennels. We bred German Shepard Dogs for law enforcement and the government around the Washington DC area for many years. Some of the puppies that I bred are still all over the country. Please know who you are talking to before you make a judgement of them. God is the only one to judge!

Blue

[tiffers]

I planned on calling my vet in the morning anyway. I have to file a report with animal control and I have to have a vet report. But I would want him to check her anyway because she rolled down a 1 foot hill and landed in the pond. I want to make sure her and the pups are OK.

...how far along? They should be okay. Rolling isn't really a 'trauma'...however, if she were hit by a car or something of that nature, then you really need to worry about the pups. Keep in mind, they are in the center of the gut...many organs cushion them in. :p

[blueparadise]

A little over a month. She was bred on Sept 18th. She should be due between November 12th-22nd.

[blueparadise]

Am logging off for the night. Have to get my babies in bed. Will check back in the early am.

[tiffers]

Hmm...4 weeks, they are barely formed now. They should be okay, but it's definitely worth asking about. It's so early, you may not even be able to detect any problems until 42 days (xray time) or birth.

[happyday7]

And yes this may be the second time that I have posted something like this. We have problems with our neighbors dogs that keep coming on my property and attacking my dogs. How do you think that I can stop that? Do you think that I want this to happen?

Blueparadise you should seriously try putting up new fences that goes all the way into the ground or something. You can also try putting up electric fence?? If this happened more than once, something needs to be done. Aren't you afraid that next time your dog might not survive the attack??

[katiem]

Have you talked to the people who own the dog? I didn't see your first post about your dog being attacked, but if it is the second time the same dog has caused damages to one of your dogs then these people need a swift boot in the arse! When you call animal control complain about both the dog and the owner!

Hope your girl is okay.

[That_girl]

Blueparadise - I helped defend you the first time you had puppies. I am deeply saddened that you would chose to breed your dog again on the very following heat cycle! You should have given her a break to recharge.

It does not matter that this time it's an intentional breeding. You should have given her time off. Instead you leave me with the feeling that you just want money from your animal, and not what's best for your PET.

[fancee10]

blueparadise...my friends father brought over one of the first German Shepherds from Germany that was trained to be a police dog back in the 60's. I know a lot about Shepherds and breeding them because of my friend and his family. Friends of my hubby's family also breed and raise Champion shepherds and also train them for police work. They are the ones who told me that back to back breeding like you do regardless of the fact the first was accidental is a sign of a back yard breeder. A true breeder only breeds to ensure the integrity of the breed. One litter a year to them is a lot...and they never breed their females more then three times in their life. They never breed past the age of 5 as well.

If I am assuming here I am sorry. I run a rescue and see what happens to these dogs and their puppies when the breeder is just in it for the money and use a forum as a way to get answers to issues like this

Good luck

[sun99]

this is the second time something like this has happened. It seems that you need some more issues resolved.. Obviously, an infection in a open wound is VERY serious and should be seen by a vet only. There is nothing you can do from home because antibiotics are all that treats infection.

I KNOW i am going to be called "mean" but you NEED to stop breeding. you are always here with issues in a pregnant dog that you cant afford to see a vet.

Blueparadise - I helped defend you the first time you had puppies. I am deeply saddened that you would chose to breed your dog again on the very following heat cycle! You should have given her a break to recharge.

It does not matter that this time it's an intentional breeding. You should have given her time off. Instead you leave me with the feeling that you just want money from your animal, and not what's best for your PET.


I mostly lurk. not often I feel compelled to contribute. I was surprised at these two responses, so I went back to read all your other threads. now I am not surprised.

This is Bella, right? the dog who accidentally got pregnant on her first heat. And now you've bred her again to a dog with "good blood" or however it was worded, on her second heat. no break, no rest for her.

Belle, who had two undeveloped nipples and a mild case of mastitis in her first pregnancy, then some kind of enlarged and leaking nipple problem after the puppies were weaned, and also has some sort of defect in one of her legs that may some day require surgery. And also has been a challenge in the housebreaking area.

My first concern is for this poor dog. I really feel sorry for her. However if you intend to sell these puppies at breeder prices it is my not so humble opinion that you will be selling them fraudulently, as clearly Bella is carrying undesirable traits.

You keep saying "if I'm not welcome here I won't post here". What does that mean exactly? Everyone is welcome, but you've come in time and again looking for help, mostly with problems that require veterinary attention, as you have been so advised. Since "take her to the vet" is not what you want to hear, you feel unwelcome?

Frankly, if I was doing to any animal what you have done to Bella, I would not be admiting to it publicly in a pet lovers forum.

Poor little thing.

I've lurked here for some time and can assure you that the people who have been responding to your frequent emergencies are well qualified to advise you...to take your pet to the vet!

They are good caring people who don't just offer advice to sound important or smart. If there was a safe home remedy they most likely would know about it. They care about your pets as much as they care about their own.

Maybe you could learn something from them, if you'd pay attention.

[katiem]

sun99, you should post more often. Well said.

[squashynose]

sun99, you should post more often. Well said.

That's what I was gonna say... Almost word for word... Suspicious :rolleyes:

[katiem]

That's what I was gonna say... Almost word for word... Suspicious :rolleyes:

Our minds are beginning to meld...

[Macawpower58]

I agree, Sun99 said it extremely well.

I also remember all your posts, and the problems you've had, which are many from pups being bitten, to a nursing mom being underweight, to training issues, to questions about your females post pregnancy symptoms.

I think you need to take a step back from breeding until you understand the responsibilities involved. You are not (in my opinion) meeting the standards, not have the knowledge needed to be breeding.

I also am into the GSD world, either your spelling is incorrect (I even tried Breckenridge), or there is nothing to be found. I have looked and can find no sign of your kennel. Someone who had been breeding for years for the police should be easy to find. Please post a link.

[katiem]

either your spelling is incorrect (I even tried Breckenridge), or there is nothing to be found. I have looked and can find no sign of your kennel. Someone who had been breeding for years for the police should be easy to find. Please post a link.

I also couldn't find anything, and I tried many many different variations of not only the name, but I also added "German Shepherd Dogs" "Dog Breeders" "Police dog breeder" "Police German Shepherds" etc...

Also, not to be rude, but most knowledgeable breeders know how to spell their breeds name...

[tiffers]

I am not trying to be mean here...and while I see everyone's point. Not one person, other than myself and two other's, has offered advice on this dog's wound and getting attacked again. Everyone else is too caught up in telling her what she is doing wrong and what she should and shouldn't be doing...I will not be surprised if Blue does not return to this forum.

[That_girl]

Like I said in my last post, I tried to help her the last time she had puppies and problems with the mother.

I will no longer help her as she has decided to breed her dog again. The dog's last litter was born in March, and as late as August, she was still concerned about the mother's nipples.

I will not help someone who is breeding a dog with health issues. Breeding successive heats with a b!tch that had mastitis with the last litter, does this sound like a good idea to you, Tiffers?

http://forums.petlovers.com/vb/showthread.php?t=34070

If I would have seen this thread, I would have posted that NO, breeding again is NOT a good idea. This b!tch needs more of a rest period than 7 months! Too late now. I feel so badly for Belle. Poor girl has had no time to be her own dog without puppies or pregnancy to worry about.

[fancee10]

I am sorry Tiffers, but blue obviously is not looking for the type of help she needs. I am not a vet and no one else here is as far as I know either. Most folks come here for advice or opinions, not answers to a serious medical issue with their animals and if they are, they are in the wrong place. If they post a question like she did, for all of us whose lives are our animals, they will get the advice we all know best. My vet and his wife (who is a certified vet tech) would both tell her much of what most of here have. This is a common sense question she asked and we were using common sense in answering her. If she did not want to hear it she should not have come here looking for free vet care, which none of us are licensed to give her

[dlaura]

Ok, I understand that Bella's owner didn't treat Bella as we would have were she our dog. However, she isn't our dog, but she is an animal we could possibly help if we took the opportunity to answer Blue regardless if it is the 100th time we repeat the same thing. Ridiculing Blue and saying we "refuse to help someone..................." isn't what we are all about ..............I must ask - what happened to helping Bella? I ask you - would you return and be open minded to our advice if it was given in this fashion? Please just think about it for a while before replying.............................

[dlaura]

In addition to my above thoughts:

Sun99 I must agree that you put it very well - I agree that Blue received very good advice here. Blue I sincerely hope you get your dog to the vet for the bite on her ear.

Also, while it might be hard for you, the neighbors must be dealt with. If the neighbor's dog is coming over and attacking your pets as often as you say ............well what happens when it is your child the neighbor's dog attacks? You may think you are being a good neighbor by not complaining - but a good neighbor would teach others how to be responsible pet owners. Best of luck and please sure to update us on everything.

[tiffers]

I am not disagreeing with anyone here, I'm just saying...NO ONE has helped her with her original problem. The dog being pregnant again IS NOT what this thread is about, but it has somehow gone to an attack on her about it.

This is a common sense question she asked and we were using common sense in answering her. If she did not want to hear it she should not have come here looking for free vet care...

And fancee, Blue did not ask anything about her breeding...she didn't ask a question at all in her post...she mentioned a bite on the dog's ear...so, why is this thread about breeding?

Really, if you want to get completely straight...Blue never asked for ANY kind of help. She just posted a statement about her dog's ear. So, some of us started out by attacking her for breeding again...and some of us just offered medical advice (that yes, I am well qualified to offer).

Blue, I hope you were able to get her in to the vet today. And if you don't ever want to post again, I don't blame you...

[blueparadise]

I took Bella to the vet today as I said I would. I was not looking for vet care on this forum, just something I could do until I could get her to the vet. I have dealt with the neighbors dogs as I have talked to the owner and filed 2 complaints with animal control. Bella is fine although they did give me some antibiotics, just in case. Pups are fine and they say they think maybe 4-6. She did not get pregnant on her first heat, she was almost 2 yrs old and she had had 3-4 heats before that. I know she has had some issues with her nipples and some mild mastitis. But my vet says she is healthy now and he sees no problems with this pregnancy or her health. And yes I do take my dogs to the vet!! Her under developed nipples are normal now, she has no discharge from them, and no lumps of signs of mastits. She does have a deformity in her leg but when you breed are you not trying to (weed) out bad genes? She was bred to a dog that has no health problems or deformaties. This will be her last pregnancy, we are getting her spayed after this litter. I know not to breed more than 3-4 times and not over the age of 5. Unlike you may think, I am not stupid! We will be keeping one of her female pups from this litter. I am not in this for the money and I am not a back yard breeder! I am doing this for the love of the breed and to better the blood line. I may or may not post here again. Maybe I will let you know when the pups are born. I agree with those that said to think about giving a simple answer to someone instead of coming up with ways to put them down.

God be with you all!! I will pray for your understanding!

Blue Paradise
www.blueparadisetravelconnections.com

[That_girl]

Thank you for letting us know that she has a clean bill of health from your vet. When you make posts, you sometimes leave important information out. Like that you are planning on taking her to the vet, just wanted some advice in the meantime. When you leave that out, it looks like you are trying to avoid another vet visit.

I hope that you are able to sort out the issue of your neighbor's dog soon.

[dlaura]

Blue I apologize for assuming you hadn't taken any action against the neighbors. Since it had happened again I just thought you hadn't and wanted to encourage you to do so. So, I hope that your filing a complaint will help the neighbors take responsibility for their dogs and improve their dog's lives.

I am so happy to hear you got Bella to the vet and thank you for the update. Hope to hear from you again and would love to see pics when the pups are born.

I in turn will pray for your understanding of our passion here for animals which sometimes causes to act/speak as we did in this thread. It is due to everyone's love and compassion of animals here that we sometimes judge when we should not. If you can forgive us that - you will have found a great group of people to share your pets with.

[blueparadise]

This is the second report that I have filed on these dogs and my neighbor. The first time, they said they did not see the dogs outside so they could not do anything. Since my dog was attacked, the dogs have been down here everyday, and all night last night. I have contacted the animal control today and they are supposedd to come back out today. I hope they do something this time!! We are in the process of putting up a fence around the back yard. But I am having to put it up 2 pieces at a time. (privacy fence). It has been a slow process. Hopefully I can have it finished before the pups get too big!

Blue

[katiem]

Anyway to detain your neighbors dogs until Animal Control comes? Or maybe get some pics as proof? Its not fair to you or your dogs that these beasts get away with tormenting you.

[blueparadise]

They are wild to everyone but the owners. I have tried to catch them or pin them up but can't get that close. The one animal control agent told me that if they were on my property, I could shot them but that they had to die and the body had to be on my property when they came to pick them up. This is a bad situation but I don't want to kill them. That is animal cruelity and I am not that kind of person.

Blue

[Jennicat]

IShe did not get pregnant on her first heat, she was almost 2 yrs old and she had had 3-4 heats before that. I know she has had some issues with her nipples and some mild mastitis. But my vet says she is healthy now and he sees no problems with this pregnancy or her health. And yes I do take my dogs to the vet!! Her under developed nipples are normal now, she has no discharge from them, and no lumps of signs of mastits. She does have a deformity in her leg but when you breed are you not trying to (weed) out bad genes? She was bred to a dog that has no health problems or deformaties

I really urge you to rethink this if you attempt to breed in the future. You do not "weed out bad genes" by breeding a dog with a deformity to a dog without a deformity. If her bad leg is a genetic problem, EVERY puppy she has is at risk for having that problem, and most of them are likely going to carry it genetically. Which means it may show up in any generation unannounced. I know that you love your dog, and I know that you are a pet lover, and I doubt that you would like to be responsible for another dog with a leg deformity being created.

If you truly want to better the breed, find a reputable breeder that knows what they're doing and spend a LOT of time reading. Especially with German Shepherds and their plethora of conformation issues related to their hips. Every dog bred should be CERF'd and have an OFA score to ensure that you aren't breeding dogs that will likely be in agony from his displaysia down the line. IIRC, you can't even do this until the dog is 4, so you really don't have any idea what sort of hips your dog has.

[katiem]

I could shot them but that they had to die and the body had to be on my property when they came to pick them up. This is a bad situation but I don't want to kill them. That is animal cruelity and I am not that kind of person.

Blue

I don't blame you for that, I couldn't do it either. Since its the neighbours dogs coming on your property and not vice verse I wonder if they can be forced to either build a fence or pen the dogs? I know here the SPCA can force that, and have the dogs taken away if the owners don't comply. Of course they seem to be jerks, so that might not even stop them from letting the dogs run helter skelter.

I don't know if you mentioned it before, but do you know what kinds of dogs they have?

[dlaura]

It is really baffling how some people just feel they are above the law.......... sounds like they are plainly just disregarding the complaint. Have you thought of possibly taking them to small claims court for any costs you've incurred due to the fact they cannot keep their dogs where they belong? Say covering any vet bills you've incurred due to their dogs injuring your dogs. Sometimes when it comes down to where it hits their pocketbook these type of people will suddenly understand. Bothers me to hear the law says you can shot them, I've seen just such a thing on People's Court, and apparently that is true. It is their poor dogs who will suffer in the end if someone doesn't get thru to them. Glad to hear you wouldn't take such action, but you never know when someone else might. This is very sad.

[katiem]

I've seen just such a thing on People's Court, and apparently that is true.

I also saw one like that on Peoples Court recently, a Rottie and a Beagle, but I thought it didn't happen in real life!

[dlaura]

I also saw one like that on Peoples Court recently, a Rottie and a Beagle, but I thought it didn't happen in real life!

It really, really upset me to watch that particular episode. The person who shot the other person's dog dead just acted so cold about it! He also said he was instructed by animal control that he could do this. While I think the judge admitted this could be true, she was incredulous that someone had actually done it. Not only was there this episode but about a week later there was another on a different judge's show. Just goes to show that the dogs again suffer for the owner's lack of responsibility. :mad:

[Macawpower58]

Photos! Document everytime they're out. Keep your camera near the window or door. My photo's helped my neighbor once when her dog was attacked by roaming dogs. I had taken their photo when they attacked my fence. She had not a fence, and her dog was attacked.

The photo's won her case.

[blueparadise]

The on student vet that saw her when we first noticed her leg being turned in said she thought that it was not genetic but that it was either a birth injury or an injury when she was a puppy, Jennicat. Thanks Macaw, I will do that photo thing. Thats a good idea. I guess I have been so upset by this whole thing, I didn't think of something so simple! Duh.:o

[blueparadise]

Jennicat, I hope my reply didn't sound mean. What I meant was that I do not know if it is genetic. I was told that she did not think so. Yes, and I would hate to sread that trait to other dogs if it meant causing them pain or surgery later in life. She told me as long as it does not cause her any pain, to leave it alone. Agin sorry if that sounded ugly. Had just found out that my step-daughter was in labor and had to hurry and get ready to go see her. What is it with me and all these pregnancies? Don't drink the water around here! Thank God I'm safe!

[dlaura]

What is it with me and all these pregnancies? Don't drink the water around here! Thank God I'm safe!

ha, ha, ha, ha, ha That is too funny. So your are step grandma to a boy or girl?

[blueparadise]

A little girl! Her name is Candace LeighAnne Copeland. Coming in at 8lbs 7oz and 19.5 inches long. A real butterball! Actually, I have 3 other Step-Grandchildren. Janice is 10, Debra is 8, and Nathan is 7 today. And beleave it or not, my youngest daughter is 9. Right in between all of the grandchildren. They are like stairsteps. My oldest step daughter said when our youngest was born; Daddy, I never thought you would be having kids after I started having kids. So between us we have 5 kids: 33, 26, 21, 18, and 9. Plus 3 dogs, a rabbit, a g-pig, and puppies on the way. We have a FULL house at the holidays!

Blue

[dlaura]

For sure you have a full house at the holidays - but that makes the holidays such fun. Your 9 year old probably loves being an aunt! Congrats on becoming a step-grandma again. Keeps you young!

[blueparadise]

Makes me feel kinda weird, cause my oldest stepdaughter is 33 and I am 42. Not too much difference there. Seems more like we are sisters and me not the step mother. Then the yougnest stepdaughter is 26 and she seems more like a good friend than a step daughter. As a matter of fact that is how me and her daddy met. We were playing in a band together. I play the bass and he plays the drums. Me and his youngest daughter were best friends and when I had to get out of my house and leave my ex, me and my kids stayed with them. They had extra room. Then after a while we started talking and then dating and then, well you know the rest.

Blue