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[MasterOfBull]

ACTION ALERT: Ohio to Ban/Seize and KILL all “Pit Bulls”!!
What to do now!

"Ohio State
Representative Tyrone Yates has proposed a bill today that would prohibit the ownership of “pit bulls” in the state of Ohio. The bill requires all owners to surrender their "pit bulls" within 90 days of the effective date of the proposed law. The bill is unequivocal that the dog warden "shall" euthanize all “pit bulls” within 10 days of their surrender.

Also under this proposal a dog warden or other officer that has probable cause to believe that a dog is a “pit bull” dog, may apply for a search warrant. With the search warrant the officer will have the authority to seize the “pit bull” dog and surrender it to the dog
warden to be killed."

They want to kill thousands of dogs for no reason other than being a certain look!! What is wrong with this world???!!!! Canine Genocide in its ugliest, purest, most evil, repulsive form! See this section:Sec. 955.111. (A) Beginning ninety days after the effective date of this section, no person shall own, keep, or harbor a dog that belongs to a breed that is commonly known as a pit bull dog. (B) Not later than ninety days after the effective date of this section, a person who owns, keeps, or harbors a pit bull dog on the effective date of this section shall surrender the dog to the dog warden. Not later than ten days after receiving the dog, the dog warden shall euthanize the dog. (C)(1) Beginning ninety days after the effective date of this section, if an officer has probable cause to believe that a dog is a pit bull dog, the officer may apply to a court of competent jurisdiction for a search warrant. The court shall issue a search warrant for the purposes requested if there is probable cause to believe that a dog is a pit bull dog. (2) After obtaining a search warrant, an officer shall seize the pit bull dog and surrender the dog to the dog warden. Not later than ten days after receiving the dog, the dog warden shall euthanize the dog. (D) As used in this section, "officer" has the same meaning as in section 959.132 of the Revised Code. Section 2. That existing section 955.11 of the Revised Code is hereby repealed. Read more at: http://www.animallawcoalition.com/breed-bans/article/524
or go to http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/bills.cfm?ID=127_HB_568----------------------------------------------------------

Ohio to Ban ALL pitbulls HB 568 -Might
affect boxers, labs, bulldogs, etc. etc.

Do you think such a ban won't affect you because you don't have a pitbull? All it would take is for some dummy to think a lab looks like a pit or etc. And then next on the
list will be the rotties...Furthermore, another personal right to our homes and
property is being endangered.

Cincinnati they are also trying to ban pits. Our representatives won't put pressure on officials to prosecute the law nor on the wrong-doers because it is so much easier to go after all of the peace-loving, lawful dog owners.

Please ask everyone you know to protest - on behalf of the many wonderful ‘pitbulls‘ in the world, for the many pitbulls and other dogs who have suffered and died due to human greed and inhumanity, for the many other dogs who will die if this passes and for the loss of our personal freedoms – this bill does not even provide a process for appeal in time to keep dogs from being seized and killed in 10 days!

Toni Kennett



Unbelievable!
They're proposing search warrants/seizing dogs that resemble pits and
killing them, WITHOUT ANY HISTORY OR PROOF OF AGGRESSION, WITHOUT ANY EVALUATION! How many other breeds will they kill "by mistake" if this law passes? This isn't just “pitbulls” that are in danger! Get the word out to everyone you know in OHIO and get them to contact their legislators NOW before it's too late! LET'S MAKE SOME NOISE PEOPLE! Read more at: http://www.animallawcoalition.com/breed-bans/article/524

To see a copy of the Bill, please visit:
http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/bills.cfm?ID=127_HB_568.This is over the edge, what happen to our freedom???? They can come in your house if they even think you have a pit bull. Most people don't even know what a pitbull looks like (don't piss off your neighbor or all of a sudden your boxer x is now a pit bull x), all different breeds will be targeted as pits or pit bull type dogs. What ever happen to due process!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ----------------------------------------------------------

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Info on what to do at this time - Please ask all your friends and associates to act
right away.

Read why breed bans don’t work and what will help to reduce bites and improve community safety.

http://www.animallawcoalition.com/breed-bans/article/524

Also please sign the petition
Forward this to everyone you know!

http://www.petitiononline.com/10121985/petition.html


We heard from Webster's Aide earlier today and she indicated that the Bill has been assigned to a committee. Until I am informed of the committee considering the Bill, there are a few things each of us can do. Please DO NOT WAIT to do the following: please remember to be polite and respectful in all correspondence!

Ohio Residents:

Contact Your House Rep as follows:

(1)
Draft a PERSONALIZED LETTER to your house representative. If you do not know who your representative is, please visit:
http://www.house.state.oh.us/jsps/Representatives.jsp.

In the letter, indicate that you are a constituent, that you oppose Bill 568, that you will leave Ohio if this passes (if that is the case) and that you want your representative to oppose the Bill.

Please try to send this letter out immediately.

(2)
Call your representative to express your opposition and to urge your representative’s opposition. Tell him/her that you will fight this all the way. Remember to leave your name, city of residence and phone number. You will most probably get your reps voicemail. Please plan what to say prior to making the call.

ALTHOUGH
EMAILS ARE EASIER, PLEASE FOCUS ON SENDING LETTERS AND CALLING. THISIS EXTREMELYIMPORTANT AT THIS POINT!!!!! TAKE 15 MINUTES TO WRITE A LETTER ANDMAKE SURE TO PERSONALIZE IT. OUR REPRESENTATIVES NOTICE WHEN THEYRECIEVEFORM LETTERS.

(3)
Send an e-mail to your representative urging him/her to vote against theBill. Tell him/her that you will leave Ohio if this passes.

***For
additional talking points for your letters, please visit:
http://www.animallawcoalition.com/breed-bans/article/524.

Contact
the Leadership:
(contact information below)

(1)
Use the LETTER you sent to your representative and revise it slightly.
Although you may not be a constituent, leadership has a lot of power and
expects to hear from the residents of Ohio. So, please send letters.

(2)
Call each member of the leadership. You will probably get voicemail but
please leave your name, city of residence and phone number. Please plan
what you will say prior to making the call.

****At this point, we do not want emails sent to leadership.*************

IFYOU CAN, PLEASE LET ME KNOW ONCE YOU'VE SENT THE LETTER, LEFT A VOICEMAIL ANDEMAILED. WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP TRACK OF WHAT EVERYONE'S DONE AND WE'RETRYING TO FIGHT THIS AS A UNIFIED GROUP SO YOUR COOPERATION ISAPPRECIATED!

Out of State Individuals Wishing to Voice Opposition:

Until we determine to which committee the Bill has been assigned, if you
would like to voice your opposition, the best thing to do is to:

(1)Send LETTERS to House Leaders (contact info below) and voice your
opposition.

(2)Call the leadership and leave messages voicing your opposition.

Leadership Contact Information:

John Husted
Speaker of the House
77 S. High St
14th Floor
Columbus, OH 43215-6111
Telephone: (614) 644-6008
Fax : (614) 719-3591
Email Address: district37@ohr.state.oh.us (state.oh.us)

Kevin DeWine
Speaker Pro Tempore
77 S. High St
14th Floor
Columbus, OH 43215-6111

Telephone: (614) 644-6020
Fax : (614) 719-3970
Email Address: district70@ohr.state.oh.us (state.oh.us)

Larry L. Flowers
Majority Floor Leader
77 S. High St
14th Floor
Columbus, OH 43215-6111
Telephone: (614) 466-4847
Fax : (614) 719-6958
Email Address: district19@ohr.state.oh.us (state.oh.us)

Jim Carmichael
Assistant Majority Floor Leader
77 S. High St
12th Floor
Columbus, OH 43215-6111
Telephone: (614) 466-1474
Fax : (614) 719-0003

Email Address: district03@ohr.state.oh.us (state.oh.us)
Michelle G. Schneider
Majority Whip
77 S. High St
14th Floor
Columbus, OH 43215-6111
Telephone: (614) 644-6023
Fax : (614) 719-3589
Email Address: district35@ohr.state.oh.us (state.oh.us)

Shannon Jones
Assistant Majority Whip
77 S. High St
11th Floor
Columbus, OH 43215-6111
Telephone: (614) 644-6027
Fax : (614) 719-3967
Email Address: district67@ohr.state.oh.us (state.oh.us)

Joyce Beatty
Minority Leader
77 S. High St
14th Floor
Columbus, OH 43215-6111
Telephone: (614) 466-5343
Fax : (614) 719-3581
Email Address: district27@ohr.state.oh.us (state.oh.us)

T. Todd Book
Assistant Minority Leader
77 S. High St

14th Floor
Columbus, OH 43215-6111
Telephone: (614) 466-2124
Fax : (614) 719-6989
Email Address: district89@ohr.state.oh.us (state.oh.us)

Fred Strahorn
Minority Whip
77 S. High St
14th Floor
Columbus, OH 43215-6111
Telephone: (614) 466-2960
Fax : (614) 719-6940
Email Address: district40@ohr.state.oh.us (state.oh.us)

Mike Foley
Assistant Minority Whip
77 S. High St
14th Floor
Columbus, OH 43215-6111
Telephone: (614) 466-3350
Fax : (614) 719-3910
Email Address: district14@ohr.state.oh.us (state.oh.us)

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[katiem]

I hate BSL. A few years ago a bill was passed here banning Pitties, but it wasn't quite as harsh as the one you listed above. At least the living Pits were allowed to live out there lives with their owners.

[LadyLynn]

I honestly believe that Americans no matter where they live should be active participants in the politics that goes on around them, and I can't see this crazy brainless order lasting or standing on anything too firm.

sure it might pass because people may not come, or show their active support that this is stupid, and could take a very long time to get it off the books,

but then on the other hands I do not see this standing for long, there simply are still too many people that love pitt bulls.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the breed. People just don't get the first thing you should never do is destroy what you fear.

I just don't think American's will stand for this, but if you live in that area, please take heed to what's been said, and help get this crazy thing off the agenda.

[Julia423]

"5) "Without provocation" means that a dog was not teased, tormented, or abused by a person, or that the dog was not coming to the aid or the defense of a person who was not engaged in illegal or criminal activity and who was not using the dog as a means of carrying out such activity. "

The above comes from the proposed Ohio law. The OP's statement that all pit bulls are to be surrendered within 90 days is misleading. The "surrender" outlined in the law pertains to dogs determined to have been vicious without provocation.


I find the OP irresponsible and intentionally incendiary.

[MasterOfBull]

PEOPLE DON'T HAVE CLUE YOUR HUMAN RIGHT ARE GETTING DESTORYED. IF YOU PEOPLE DON'T HELP OTHER FIGHT THESE LYING ANIMAL RIGHT PEOPLE LIKE BSL. PETA, HSUS, ISPEAKInc., CAPS AND OTHER MORON ANIMAL RIGHT PEOPLE. WE NEED YOUR HELP AT OREBA TO JOIN US IN THIS FIGHT.

[MasterOfBull]

TELL EVERYONE ABOUT THIS BSL ALERT!! The city has announced a plan to introduce an ordinance to eventually BAN OR RESTRICT YOUR APBT!! What you read about the APBT genocide in Denver Colorado, and Kansas City Kansas, could be at your front door! The time to stop this legislation is now, before it passes! Please write or call the following officials as it is THEY who will vote on any proposal. CALL, AND WRITE NOT JUST ONCE BUT MANY TIMES!! THIS IS IMPORTANT!! IT HAS WORKED VERY WELL IN MANY AREAS! Please make the call’s and send letters and be polite. We need to let them know how strongly we oppose this ordinance. The ADBA, AKC and UKC believes that strong enforcement of leash laws, as well as clear guidelines for identifying and managing dangerous dogs, will promote responsible dog ownership and prevent tragedies from occurring. Simply placing restrictions on certain breeds will not improve public safety - it will only punish responsible dog owners. We strongly support sound, enforceable, non-discriminatory legislation to govern dog ownership, and we appreciate legislators' desire to keep communities safe for both people and dogs. However, BSL will not address the root cause of dangerous dogs – irresponsible ownership! &nb sp; Points to Address:• BSL is inflammatory, and is based upon unproven beliefs, not facts.
• BSL is under inclusive in that it only recognizes a threat to society from certain breeds, or mixed breeds of dogs.
• BSL is over inclusive, as dogs are as varied within their breed, as are human beings within our ethnicity.
• BSL by stipulating, and naming specific breeds as being dangerous indemnifies all of the unnamed breeds as being safe by exclusion.
• BSL creates a false sense of public safety.
• BSL does not address the irresponsible dog owner.
• BSL punishes the law abiding dog owner.
• BSL orders the death of dogs based solely upon their physical appearance.
• BSL assumes that human beings are inferior to, and incapable of properly maintaining dogs of specific breeds, or appearance.  Breed-specific legislation is opposed by the ADBA, AKC, UKC, EBA, the American Veterinary Medical Association, the National Animal Control Association, the ASPCA, and a host of national animal welfare organizations that have studied the issue and recognize that targeting breeds simply does not work.

[MasterOfBull]

BSL CASE LAW
• BSL has been ruled unconstitutional in Court venues across the United States on grounds ranging from vagueness, to an infringement of property rights, to equal treatment, equal protection.
• Dogs have been the domesticated traditional property of human beings for well over thirty-five thousand years. This tradition gives legal standing to dog owners based upon the IX Amendment of the Bill of Rights in the Constitution of the United States of America.
• BSL violates the rights granted under the IV Amendment to the Bill of Rights.
• BSL violates the rights granted under the V Amendment of the Bill of Rights.
• BSL violates the rights granted under VI Amendment to the Bill of Rights.
• BSL violates the rights granted under VIII Amendment to the Bill of Rights.
• BSL violates the rights granted under XIV Amendment to the Bill of Rights.
• BSL creates a whole new criminal class, the dog owner
• BSL sets a legal precedent that unchallenged empowers the enacting body to add any, or all other dog breeds, or even domestic species of animals to the prohibition on ownership.
Zuniga v. San Mateo Dept. of Health Services (1990) 218 Cal. App. 3d 1521, 267 Cal. Rptr. 2d 755. The court found there was not sufficient evidence to prove Pit Bulls have an inherent nature of being dangerous.Carter v. Metro North Assocs. (1998) 255 A.D. 2d 251; 680 N.Y.S.2d 299 A New York appellate court determined that the alleged propensities of Pit Bull Terriers to behave more viciously than other breeds had not been authoritatively established.American Canine Foundation litigated the city of Huntsville Alabama in 2002 in a case that was heard by the Alabama Supreme Court. Huntsville v. Shelia Tact, et al.
(Ala. 08-30-02), No.1010459, unreported. The court affirmed a trial court decision that American Pit Bull Terriers were not dangerous.On July 16th 2003 ACF brought forth a constitutional challenge against Ohio's state law O.R.C. 955:11 that declares the Pit Bull vicious. The case was heard in the Toledo Municipal Court. The court found the American Pit Bull Terrier was not dangerous, and granted Pit Bull owners due process. Tellings v State of Ohio CRB02-15267In August 2004 a case American Canine Foundation assisted in was heard by the Ohio Supreme Court. State v. Cowan 103 Ohio St. 3d 144 , 2004 - Ohio - 4777 The court found ORC 955:22 volatile of the right to be heard as applied to ORC955:11 which declared a specific breed of dog vicious in Ohio. The decision struck down Ohio's breed specific legislation at the state level. Ohio was the only state to have this type of legislation at the state level.
RULE OF REASON
• Laws must be reasonable.
• It is not reasonable to write animal behaviors, legal punishments, and criminal labels for animals into statutes that are enacted to structure human society.
• Animals must not be criminalized under laws that are intended to protect human rights, and to control human behaviors.
• It is unreasonable to write animal behavior into laws that no animal has the capacity to understand, answer to, or to function under.
• It is unreasonable to mete out criminal labels to animals, i.e. dangerous, or potentially dangerous. It is unreasonable to proscribe punishments to animals under our laws.
• It is unreasonable to remove the human owner from blame, or culpability for the actions of his/her animal(s).
• It is unreasonable to assume that every dog of a given breed, or physical appearance will behave in exactly the same manner.
• It is unreasonable to assume that every owner of every dog of a given breed, or physical appearance is irresponsible, negligent, or careless with their animal(s).
• Human error, carelessness, or negligence is the underlying factor behind every dog attack.
• Given the actual figures of severe dog attacks, or fatalities related to dog attacks per capita in the United States of America, dogs are not the threat to human life that the sensationalistic media, and urban myth would portray. There exists at this time no scientific proof that a breed of dog is dangerous. Conclusions based on accurate fatal dog attacks combined with dog bite incident reports prove a dogs breed is not a factor in aggressive behavior. Breed bans do nothing to stop dog attacks, they do nothing to stop illegal activity, they do nothing to protect the public from irresponsible dog owners and punish responsible dog owners, causing court litigation, wasted tax money and impoundment of innocent dogs while criminalizing U.S. Citizens. Problems stem from inadequate budget or man power to enforce the laws, inadequate training to effectively deal with the problem dogs in a humane way, and low priority of animal control issues. Poor community education of existing animal control laws and lack of judicial support in upholding effective penalties also create serious problems. Strong laws that penalize the owners, regardless of the breed are what is needed. These types of laws are valid, have merit, are not vague or capricious. We ALL support laws that hold owners accountable for their dog’s behavior. Non-breed specific laws are valid under the Constitution, and are for the protection of the public welfare and safety with the degree of precision that characterizes effective legislation. BSL and the Cost to Taxpayers 1. Cost of additional animal control officers to enforce the ban or restrictions. **Remember, most cities do not have sufficient animal control departments to enforce leash laws, which if enforced would reduce many of the problems that lead to bite incidents. 2. Kenneling. 3. Veterinary care of the animals. (Hope you don't think the animals are confiscated and immediately euthanized). 4. Legal fees, court costs, etc., associated with responsible owners lawsuits against ineffective and unconstitutional laws. 5. Baltimore, Maryland estimated (in 2001) that it cost over $750,000 a year to enforce their breed specific legislation, and they were still unable to enforce the law effectively. 6. Prince George County, Maryland reviewed their existing dangerous dog laws, including a ban on pit bulls. The task force recommended repealing the law and sited these cost factors: (a) Loss of revenue - since the ban has been in effect, there has been a dramatic reduction in dog show/exhibits in the county. Along with this comes some indirect loss of revenue such as hotel/motels, restaurants, gas stations, veterinarians, pet supply stores, grocery and drug stores, etc. (b) Director of Animal Management Division estimated the County's cost for maintaining a single pit bull throughout the entire process for one (1) year was $68,000. (c) Fees from pit bull registration in 2001-2002 generated approximately $35,000 over the two (2) year period. However, the cost to the Animal Management Division for maintenance of pit bulls over the same period was $560,000. In addition, these figures would be higher but did not take into consideration utilities, manpower and overtime. (d) It should be noted that these average costs to Prince George County do not include the expenditures of the of the County or Municipal police departments. These cross-agency costs, while significant, could not be fully captured or adequately estimated.

Source: Prince George County Task Force Report
Communities that have repealed pit bulls bans because they were found to be (1) too costly; (2) difficult to enforce and (3) ineffective: Belton, MissouriBourbonnais, IllinoisDetroit, MichiganEast Point, MichiganRedford, MichiganBeloit, KansasAlguna, WashingtonHudsonville, MichiganBaltimore, MarylandSaginaw, Michigan Any dog, regardless of breed, is only as dangerous as his/her owner allows it to be. Also, if you are not registered to vote, GET REGISTERED! Your local government officials have more effect on your day to day life, then any other government body. Back those who listen and back you! `As for the others, VOTE THEM OUT!______________________________________________ _____________________________ __If you choose to remain uninvolved, do not be amazed when you no longer have any property rights! Your rights, taken away while you are peacefully staying out of the "fray". If they can do this to your dog, is anything you have out of their reach? Check history, it is full of nations/empires that disappeared when its citizens no longer held their core beliefs and values. One person CAN make a difference. One plus one plus one plus one plus one plus one......... __________________________________________________ _________________________ __*************** ******* Due to the time sensitive nature of some of these alerts, if you have an email address and would like us to alert you to any adverse canine/animal laws that may affect you; please email us at adam@adba.cc and we will list your email address in our files.**BE SURE TO KEEP YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS UPDATED FOR THE LATEST INFORMATION ON ANY ALERTS!**

It is URGENT to get ALL dog owners involved in stopping adverse, unfair and restrictive laws that are being passed at an alarming rate. Spread the word and have anyone you know send in their emails to the ADBA so we can keep them informed and help them to respond.

[xpalaboyx]

this is crazy and stupid... they should focus and find a solution to other problems than waste their time making such stupid laws...

[katiem]

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I find the OP irresponsible and intentionally incendiary.


I agree. Have you also noticed that all his posts are pretty much the same? Then he goes into his "PEOPLE DON'T HAVE CLUE YOUR HUMAN RIGHT ARE GETTING DESTORYED. IF YOU PEOPLE DON'T HELP OTHER FIGHT THESE LYING ANIMAL RIGHT PEOPLE LIKE BSL. PETA, HSUS, ISPEAKInc., CAPS AND OTHER MORON ANIMAL RIGHT PEOPLE. WE NEED YOUR HELP AT OREBA TO JOIN US IN THIS FIGHT." rant.

[Julia423]

I agree. Have you also noticed that all his posts are pretty much the same? Then he goes into his "PEOPLE DON'T HAVE CLUE YOUR HUMAN RIGHT ARE GETTING DESTORYED. IF YOU PEOPLE DON'T HELP OTHER FIGHT THESE LYING ANIMAL RIGHT PEOPLE LIKE BSL. PETA, HSUS, ISPEAKInc., CAPS AND OTHER MORON ANIMAL RIGHT PEOPLE. WE NEED YOUR HELP AT OREBA TO JOIN US IN THIS FIGHT." rant.
Yep. Hard to miss. I think his name says it all.;)

[MasterOfBull]

Hey Julia423, katiem what is your problem with my post? We really don't understand why are you hating. We are here to help your Civil and Human Rights. These Morons Animal Right people like BSL, HSUS, PETA, ISPEAKInc, CAPS and a lot more trying destory your freedom. It is sad but it is real talk. People like you don't have clue you need to stop hating on our post because it is real they are trying to take way your freedom.

[katiem]

Hey Julia423, katiem what is your problem with my post? We really don't understand why are you hating. We are here to help your Civil and Human Rights. These Morons Animal Right people like BSL, HSUS, PETA, ISPEAKInc, CAPS and a lot more trying destory your freedom. It is sad but it is real talk. People like you don't have clue you need to stop hating on our post because it is real they are trying to take way your freedom.

MasterOfBull, perhaps if you explained why you are ranting on about our civil rights being violated we would understand, and not think of you as some sort of troll. How are these people trying to destroy my freedom? BSL means breed Specific Legislation-most animal rights groups are against it! How is the Humane Society of the United States destroying anybodies freedom?

[Julia423]

Hey Julia423, katiem what is your problem with my post? We really don't understand why are you hating. We are here to help your Civil and Human Rights. These Morons Animal Right people like BSL, HSUS, PETA, ISPEAKInc, CAPS and a lot more trying destory your freedom. It is sad but it is real talk. People like you don't have clue you need to stop hating on our post because it is real they are trying to take way your freedom.
If you would stop the cut and paste of masses of information and write simply and clearly - deliniating your argument - perhaps more would listen.

Some of what you SCREAM at us is contradictory ..."Breed-specific legislation is opposed by the ADBA, AKC, UKC, EBA, the American Veterinary Medical Association, the National Animal Control Association, the ASPCA, and a host of national animal welfare organizations that have studied the issue and recognize that targeting breeds simply does not work."
This came from your own cut & paste job and vastly contradicts your assertation that "These Morons Animal Right people" are destroying freedom.

What do you believe we should be able to do with our dogs exactly?

[LadyLynn]

Please, please, do not forget when you are looking at a piece of legistlation and you think you understand what it says, in reality it can be stating quite the opposite, so before you start cutting and pasting pieces of massive legislation bills please please read "completely through the piece so you can catch all of, what I call, "Back lash, tricky English.

SoI hate to say, I believe some stuff you think that is taking away our rights and not protecting our rights are some things not all you could be misunderstanding.

I say this because I have studied "political science in college courses and am totally aware that bills being written, and added to, and deleted to are very tricky, and so we have to carefully read through this public information and then let our senators and representatives exactly where we stand on the issues.

so please, don't panick.

[MasterOfBull]

Look people my English is not Good typing. Also Our Civil, Human Rights and freedom are getting destoryed. They are trying to ban all big breed that can bite. It is crazy. People don't understand your Govt. Really don't care about Americans they don't really care. I get mad because of all the lying that your people do.

[nanamouse]

I think what is confusing the issue is you dragging the Animal rights groups in as adversarys. I belong to a couple of groups that support animal rights, and neither is in favor of BSL. It would seem to me that the only people who would have a problem with these groups regarding large dogs are the creeps who fight these dogs or supply the fighters with dogs.

[LadyLynn]

Master O' Bull, I noticed one of your locations is Spain. Were you raised there?

I'm not quite sure, but I do believe what you are trying to tell us is that yes, we do have some flakes that are in U.S. government offices, and are out to make it so we can't own dogs.

But you do have to remember that in America, we have all kinds of rights and privledges, no dictators, and the majority of Americans will never for one minute tolerate being set up to where their pets will be gathered up and destroyed.

It just will not happen here.

And as I've also said, I've studied some in college, U.S. politics, and bills and the writing of them, and getting them argued onto the house of representatives and senator floors are tricky businesses.

A majority of them die before they ever get that far.

It was quite alarming for me to learn in one class that sometimes a senator, and or reperesentative have been known to simply read names from the phone book, or do some stalling technique to get a bill off the table entirely.
but it doesn't mean some rediculous ones don't make it there either.

And since if you ever sit down and read carefully through some of those bills, and yes many treaties that exist today between native American tribes and the U.S. government that same twisted back lash English is written up into those bills.

So what happened?

The Native Americans did not realize that they were indeed selling off land, a concept they'd never heard of before. Who can own land they've asked hundreds of years ago. Today, they have, Reservations because of that tricky language.

and some of what you've presented here for reads, has precisely that same back lash English in it, and so I think although yes in some respects and in some townships getting rid of animals like the Great American Pit Bulls do exist, but it isn't on a national level, and if you read further on some of the stuff you'll find that you've misread, misinterpreted some of what is being presented.

and you just simply have to remember, Americans would never stand for their nation as a whole to insist that one or more breeds be gathered and slaughtered.

However there is a widespread problem in America with owners, generally of those that, and it is "A few, that ruin, it for the rest of us, by being particularyly bad owners who use their dogs to run people off, or to attack people for no apparent reason, and since Pit bulls particularly are muscular and extremely strong by their very nature, and biology this group of bad owners pick pit bulls over any other breed to have as a cainine companion, and when attacks happen to good people or on children and nearly die or do die as a result,

it is totally unfair, but then cities across the nation decide that they have to have some "dangerous animal keeping laws in place." For example, I live in Idaho, but I live in one small town. Perhaps Meridian, but there are people who live in Blackfoot.

People who live in Blackfoot have and make different rules regaurding pit bulls. Perhaps that town has rules about owning them. Perhaps they must have a license for the dog, insurance, and the dog has to pass a good citizenship test, or the dog either has to be given away to someone that doesn't live in Blackfoot and must be put down.

But on the other hand in my town, "By the way I do not live in Meridian, but a smaller rural area, and this is the absolute truth, my town has absolutely no regulations at all about keeping any type of dog except that owners at the max can keep only two dogs, unless they buy a kennel permit and notify all neighbors that live within 100 ft of your property and agree to clean up the poop.

So I really don't think what you are trying to tell us, other than PETA's idiotic ideals are any real threat to American's on any national level,

and as nonamouse said, some of the organizations that she belongs to support animal rights, and the people who own them, and they work hard to preserve our rights, and to help people take the best possible care of the animals they can.


So as boring as it may sound, and as difficult as it might be, especially if English might be a bit difficult for you, and especially if American politics is an area of interest for you may I suggest that you break out one of the bills currently on the table to be discussed and voted on whether it is regaurds to animals or not and read it in its entirety. and if it's your own copy of this free information, take your pencil and mark or block paragraphs you have questions about, then ask your friends what they think it means, and then if it still seems unclear pick up the phone or find the appropriate emails and send your questions off to the representative or senator and ask them to clarify what is meant.

That way you might get an eye opening account of what really is going on. Some stuff however could unhinge you though too.

The latest powwow was over Pennsylvania, a group charged with protecting human health and preserving our wildlife in that state was about to outlaw Nanday conures. Nanday conures are medium sized parrots that usually do not exist in that state whatsoever, except as pets,the weather is far to chilling for them to live there, and they are not native to the area, and because of someone's misunderstanding that was on their books to vote them to be illegal, but a bunch of very savvy, up to date people who knew what was going on got together and went to the meeting, and was able to prevent them from making them illegal in that state.

So as I've said, government politics, especially in the U.S. is tricky business, and knowing precisely what is being conveyed can be totally misleading.

I praise and commend you for doing your best to make us aware that our animals and their right to be and live with us a great deal, but at the same time it is my hope that you will take the time to really go over a few of the bills that are going to be on our house of representatives and senators tables, and then you have to remember that nothing is ever final until the U.S. president signs his name to it, and even then depending on the vote in the senate, his signature can and sometimes once in a blue moon becomes nile and void.

I wish you luck with your study of politics.

It is a great field, but very confusing.

[katiem]

It just will not happen here.




Thats what we thought here...until it was passed.

[katiem]

Look people my English is not Good typing. Also Our Civil, Human Rights and freedom are getting destoryed. They are trying to ban all big breed that can bite.

MasterOfBull, are you talking about your own government? I've never heard of a bill in the States, or where I live (Canada), that wants to ban all big dogs. Yes, there is BSL, but that targets certain breeds, not certain sizes. I'm pretty sure most people on this board are against BSL.


People don't understand your Govt. Really don't care about Americans they don't really care.

The American government doesn't care about Americans? "George Bush hates the black man"?

[MasterOfBull]

They don't care about anything.

[Nintai]

I probably have no right to jump into this conversation and please excuse me if I am out of line but...

Don't fight over this people. We don't need to fight each other. We need to fight this oppressive government that has usurped all of our rights away. And don't think it's just the American government, you show me a government that is not severely corrupt and I will eat my words and probably move to that Utopian society. What they are proposing is the eradication of an entire breed of dog... it sounds like the K9 form of genocide to me. I don't own a pit bull or even a dog for that matter but if the government can do something like this... they can do whatever they want to us and we have to smile about it because unless you are a multimillionaire you will never be able to defeat them in the court system. I don't know about you guys but it scares me for more than just our animals... I don't want to sound like a whack job. But if they start knocking off hundreds of thousands of peoples precious family members and get away with it where will this end? It's easy to say because I don't own a pit bull but if I had a dog and someone came to take it from me and kill it they better come armed and ready for death. Maybe we should protect what we love if it's worth it. If it's not worth fighting for then it's doesn't matter if you lose them does it? I can't speak for others individually but I know there are a whole lot of other people here in the south, around the country, and abroad that feel the same way about protecting what is most important to us.

Anyway I am going now. I will not defend myself in this so feel free to trash me if you disagree. *dodges thrown knife*

[katiem]

Nintai, we all here agree with you. The problem is an ongoing one with MOB's posts that are contradictory and often times make no sense. I know you are new to the site, so you have not yet had a chance to see some more of MOB's threads, but we are not disagreeing that BSL, etc, is bad.

[Delfina]

I live in ohio, and i'm terrefied for this bill. I'm OBVIOUSLY voting aginst the ban. I love pit bulls, they're in my top 10 favorites. I work with pit bulls on a daily basis, and i've NEVER been bit by one. I've been bit by more labs and huskies, and especially pomeranians! But you don't see people going after the little dogs do you? Its prejudice, and unfair to single out a breed.

my sister has the most loving beautiful pit bull i've ever met. Miss nyla was almost killed for being too docile, but her husband found out and came and rescued her. She has a nasty sounding bark, and can be a bit terretorial. But she's never bitten another dog unless my sister or her husband was in danger of any sort. And even then its all barking and growls.

i remember one time i was playing with her, and i had this toy she really wanted, so she was hopping up trying to grab it from me. I ended up tripping overmy own feet and stubled backwards, and the toy came close to my abdomen. because she was in play mode she snapped at the toy and missed, and accildentally bit my stomach. Not hard, just a pinch on my tummy. The moment i said ow she dropped down to the ground, peed herself and put her tail between her legs and wouldn't play with me fo the rest of the night. She just followed me around and would lick my hands whenever she got the chance.. Man eater that one.

I could tell you so many great stories about every pit bull ive ever met..but i'd be writting all week.

The sad thing is, there are so many ignorant people out there that are uneducated about pit bulls..that they'd probably vote for the ban. Its a sad fact of life that most of the world is full of morons.