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Jerica
01-06-2006, 12:26 AM
I've posted some threads about my rabbit and I'm still so conflicted. She is 6 yrs old and has uterine cancer and the mastitis cysts that come from it. A few weeks ago she was attacked by one of my dogs and my friends puppy, but she healed very well and is perfectly fine from that. However she is not spayed yet so still has the uterine cancer. I am hoping that in Feburary the
2nd yr vet tech students at my college will be able to spay her and it will cost me less than to go to a vet, I know how bad that sounds. Pros of going to a vet, he's experienced, cons are one vet I've talked to says it'd cost $95 because the procedure is more complicated and there is more bleeding because of the cancer. She could still die during the spay or even after cause the cancer could have spread already.

Pros of letting 2nd yr vet tech do it, costs less (not sure how much), cons are not experienced, but overseen by a vet, she could die during the spay or even after because of the cancer maybe has spread already. However if no spay is done she will very likely die sooner. If she dies during surgery it will be peaceful. She is already 6 yrs old and is a polish dwarf, for dwarf rabbits that is an old age. Generally they say they will live 5-7 yrs. Should I do the procedure, pay out the money so she can live how ever long she can? Should I not do the procedure and see if she can live well without it? Should I put her down considering her old age, the fact she can still die after the spay, and then (as bad as it sounds) not have to pay the money? I am a 1st yr vet tech student and I really want her to have the spay, but what if she dies a day afterwards? The spay gained me nothing, because she could have lived that extra day without it. Can an old rabbit even survive that invasive procedure since not only will she be spayed, but basically have all her teats removed because of the mastitis cysts? That is a lot of cutting, bleeding and stress to put her through even if she is asleep during it, but could she recover?

What do I do for my old girl? She's an awesomly sweet bunny, very calm, let's me hold her on her back and scratch her belly, she licks me sometimes, and has such an awesome personality. I have recently noticed that she has quit using her litterbox now, that worries me because all 6 yrs of her life she has used it faithfully only pooping a little outside of it, but always urinating in it, now she barely uses it at all. Same bedding is being used in it, she has been moved around from home to the college back home, but she never quit, up until a week or so ago she was still using it, why isn't she now? She is still so bright eyed and although doesn't go racing around the room anymore, she hops around and her fur is still shiny (which doesn't always reflect health, but still). She still loves her carrots.

She has gotten a bit skinny the last week, but I just got back from visiting my dad and my mom was caring for her and thinks she may have forgot to feed her 2 days in a row!!! That worries me as to how well she would care for her if she stays here instead of coming to live in the shed. I just don't know if she can handle any cold, she's always been in a heated place, but the shed is just a shed, no insulation or anything. Another option is to give her to someone who will take good care of her, but even if I could give her up, who would want a 6 yr old cancerous rabbit? Oh so many things to consider, so many options, but what to choose? Sorry this post is getting so long, I don't blame anyone for not reading it all through, but so much is on my mind. It's hard enough thinking of this, but the fact I also have a dog who is soon to be 12 and may start with health problems. It's so overwealming. What do I do?

krazy4birds
01-06-2006, 12:55 AM
Jerica....it sounds to me that your poor rabbit is suffering terribly, especially if she had been forgotten about for 2 days and had no food.....that is a really bad situation by itself. Putting her out in the shed to face the cold is about the most inhumane thing I have heard of for awhile. If this is her choice verses euthanizing then as sad as I am to say it I would euthanize.
She has cancer and is but a small creature, her body most likely will not survive much longer unless she gets some much needed care. The surgery is in your hands.....if it were me, I would spare her and let her go to over the Rainbow Bridge. But it is not me.....only you Jerica can make that decision but out of love and peace of mind please make one soon. Don't let her hang in limbo here.

Jerica
01-06-2006, 01:26 AM
Thank you for your opinion, as sad as it is that is what I have thought I must do for her. I was shocked to hear she had been forgotten about and so I see no way for her to stay with my mom, I just don't think as much stuff as I can put in her cage for warmth that she would ever feel warm, plus in the shed she'd never get to run around only be held. If she lasted until summer I don't know how hot it could get in there. I did have friend willing to take her in for me, if I could go every day to care for her, but as it is my friend already has a dog, a baby, and a husband that has gone back to highschool, even if I'd be caring for her, unless I had a key I couldn't always have access to her and someone has called child services on her already for no reason, so I couldn't aske her to let me keep Satin there. I think I will bring her back to the college with me and ask my instructor (Dr.Barnes) if I can put her down there, they have CO2, which is how they put down all the rats for the snakes. They fall asleep pretty quick and feel nothing. I'll just have to figure out first if I can have someone let me into the kennels to keep Satin there for the night, but I don't know if I can. I may just need to go to the local vet. As I type all of this I start getting tears in my eyes, to think of putting her down, but to make her go through anymore, as you said, would be cruel. Thank you. You have helped me make my decision. You can't imagine how good it is to hear an opinion from someone other than a family member who doesn't understand my love for my rabbit. Thank you again for taking the time to read my thread and I will let my little girl go over the Rainbow Bridge.

Jerica
01-07-2006, 01:53 AM
My mom says she will care for her and watch her this week to see if she thinks I should put her down. She says she will put a note on my room door so that she will for sure remember to care for Satin. If my mom then believes Satin is ready my mom's boyfriend is very skilled at quickly killing rabbits because he hunts a lot and knows just how to snap the neck. I don't like the sound of it. As much as I trust that he would do that quickly it makes me cringe to think of someone she doesn't really know just doing that, instead of me holding her while the vet injects her. It makes me cringe to think of her neck being snapped instead of just falling asleep. I don't know, is it wrong of me to allow my mom to take care of her because I want to keep her alive? I just want to be there when she goes, but I am leaving to go back to college on sunday. Technically tomorrow since it is almost 2 am saturday morning right now. I just keep going back over all the options and am trying to figure out what exactly to do. I don't know, I thought I'd decided, but I don't know. One of my friends says that she thinks I definatly should consider putting her down. My mom was suprised I was thinking about it, although I don't know why. My brothers don't really care what happens. My dad well he doesn't really have an opinion. I know nobody can make the decision for me, but this is one decision I've never had to make. Satin just seems so playful still, pushing her chew stick and litterbox around the cage, she doesn't act old besides that she doesn't race around the room, but merely hops. I just don't know. If I decide to put her down I have to make the decision before going back to college or leave her at home, or keep her in the cold shed unless somehow I can get in contact with someone at the college to let me keep her in the rabbit room for awhile, but they don't want me to do that, I just got her out of there before break. I don't know it still seems to be leading towards putting her down.

'too crazy
01-07-2006, 09:55 AM
I'm sorry, I have to wonder about a mother who needs a note to remind her of an animal and who says her boyfriend will 'snap it's neck'. This is a pet and should be taken care of as such. I hope you know when your gone, this rabbit will NOT be fed and the only way it will be taken care of is by your mom's boyfriend. Please put this poor bunny to sleep before you leave for school.

Pepsidoodle
01-07-2006, 10:05 AM
I agree with toocrazy. I think it is a must. You might not be realizing it but from an outsider it sounds very disturbing. Please put her to sleep before you go. Think of how that bun will feel when his hands are coming at her. I would not want to feel like that in my last moment on this earth.

Jerica
01-07-2006, 02:10 PM
Yes, that is what I've been thinking, I just can't let him do that to her, see the thing with my mom and brothers is they don't see Satin as a beloved pet, they see her as just a rabbit. They hunt rabbits and to them that is all she is, but to me she is just as dear as my dogs are. I have one other idea that might work out. Because I am leaving tomorrow I may be able to have a friend of a friend keep Satin at their place in the town where I go to college. I can go down there and take care of her until I know for sure it is time to euthanize. Then I can do that at the college so I can be there and she will just fall asleep under the CO2. I just have to make sure I can keep her at the friend of a friend's house. Then I don't have to put her down today or tomorrow, she isn't suffering right now so I just feel bad putting her down so quickly, I'd like to have at least a few more days to decide so this should work out. Thank you everyone for your opinions.

Pepsidoodle
01-07-2006, 03:49 PM
I feel so bad for you making the desicion. I live around hunters also and I know what you mean. I have to talk myself out of arguing quite a lot. Wishing you and Satin the best. Whatever you decide I am sure you know best-she has been with you a long time.

Jerica
01-08-2006, 01:00 AM
Thank you. I'm going to be taking her back to school with me and keeping her at a friend of a friend's house until I am ready to euthanize her. I have done some more research and found out once the cysts start to form in her mammary glands there is no chance of saving her so I will be euthanizing her. If only I would have known about uterine cancer when I got her, I would have got her spayed somehow.

'too crazy
01-08-2006, 07:24 AM
I'm so glad to her that your taking your bunny. Your making the right decision.

Jerica
01-10-2006, 07:23 PM
The sad day was today. I laid my sweet bunny to rest today. I will be posting a memorial for her in the memorial section on here.

'too crazy
01-10-2006, 08:02 PM
I'm very sorry. I'm sure you did the right thing though.