Restructioning animal rights forum

[John Olexa]

Since about 99% of trouble comes from the animal rights forum ( & 100% seems to involve me or one of my Org.) LOL I have a plan,

We will be able to post only action alerts there. there must be a link provided telling what to do, or a link to the story, or at least a contact person to complain. Congressman / woman , Senators ect ect.
It can come from anywhere, AR groups, newpaper as long as there someone to contact about it. Nothing like " how do you feel about hunting" any post like that, Replys to a thread would be deleated ASAP. There will be a link or contact for the person reading to decide if they want to help or not.

There would be NO REPLYS!! If there is a queston, PM the OP (I just learned that today) hehehe.

I thnik this would end all problems here at PL.

What do you guys think?

[jonesy zoo]

personally I think it is a shame that as adults we can not have a debate or a difference of opinion without it spiralling out of control....In the last 2 days we have had 4 threads closed....why is this because people seem to forget to stay on topic and go after the person....this has been on my mind since about 3-12 am Australain time....when I went to the forum and saw another thread closed because people had lost the plot....there is absolutely nothing wrong with difference of opinions or a debate, but as I stated my problem is the personal attacks either against the individual or a organization....and most of the ones who do the attacking in my opinion are lounge chair wanna-bes....Donna

[John Olexa]

Well we could change it to no general questions. Nothing like what do you think about hunting. or How do you feel about this.. ect ect.

we could still reply, but it has to be a action alert type post.

[jonesy zoo]

personally, gosh I like that word today don't I, it is disturbing that one great informative section has to be reconstructed because 9/10 it turns ugly...and the main reason people go personal and way of topic....I think before anybody posts a topic perticularly if they know it is one that is going to course conflict do a search and make sure this topic hasnt be hashed out and only then post it or better still pm John as we are fully aware that John is animal activist...and if you dislike John the mods are there and they will direct you to somebody who can give you the answer...If you still feel the topic should be placed on the forum, dont get upset when somebody has a difference of opinion, the only time you can get upset is when the reply becomes personal and rather then airing your dirty laundry and how you hate this or that pm the person that has upset you and lets keep to the topic...and if something in a reply is distastful pm the person who replied and ask them nicely to edit it and if that fails send a note to the mods....there is no need for the nastiness or attacks in my honest opinion...this is a family orientatedd forum and I m postive you wouldnt talk to your family or write to them as some people seem to do when repling...so lets play nicely...

[judy]

did you have a nice new year jonsey personally i think i did

[jonesy zoo]

I did until... I hurt my head...had a concussion for a few days back to the Docs on Thursday..poor me...

[John Olexa]

It was just a thought to toss out there.
It just always seems to be a change of the topic to involve me or PETA don't matter what the topic is. And then it go's from there.
I don't help none I'm guilty too!. All I got to to is say how I really feel and it goes from there LOL
I think I have done good .. till yesterday LOL. I am trying really hard, but a person can only take so much before they strike back. ( how many people have tried in the last month to get to me, I can remember 4 off hand. ( hardly post's, only posts to my threads ) Didn't work! You know what I'm talking about.

I don't care how you feel heck you can hate me or my org. Thats fine ,thats ok. I just hate when theres accusations thrown my way. like yesterday with out proof.

Oh well it was just a thought & decided to toss it out. LOL. Maybe ease the trouble, but thats why we have the mods! LOL

[jonesy zoo]

here we go with that word again...personally John I have admired how you have held your tongue for so long ...you are human after all...some of the things that have been thrown at you in the last few days has been unbelievale...that is were you know I have your back... if we cant offer anything constructive why bother to reply...a difference of opinion is great but as I have stated personally attacks should be outlawed...man I am on my high horse this am...and like John said that is what the mods are here for...and I for one think they are doing a great job...so John keep up the good work and keep us aware of the cruelty that is happening in this sick old world...and please remember John /org is not responsible for everything that happens in the world...the last time I looke at John profile it didnt say he was a god...he is human and has feelings...

[cryjay]

I kind of hope our little KFC discussion on the one post has nothing to do with this. If so I apologize. I am not angry about what anyone believes. Curious at times-yep. Like to debate- yep. But not if that debate turns nasty. I am not that type of person. Like I had stated before, it is sometimes hard to 'read' how the person meant to say what they are saying.

I could care less what organizations anyone belongs to. To each their own. However, I think if one is allowed to state their beliefs so is the other as long as no personal attacks are made.

Just because someone belongs to or believes in something that I may not, does not make them a bad person. I can still like the person just not what they may stand for. Example:

I do not believe in a gay or lesbian relationship, but do have plenty of friends that are. We agree to disagree with lifestyle choices and that's they way things should be here too.

I am very passive by nature and not too much really bothers in the way others decide to lead their lives and their thoughts and opinions.

With all that said-if it makes any sense lol. Ihope we are always able to reply to threads in the said forum. I think we should be able to debate beliefs, I DO NOT believe that personal attacks of any kind should be tolerated.

But I have only been here for a very short time, so maybe my opinion isn't that valid yet...:)

[jonesy zoo]

right on there...never anything wrong with a good debate...that is what it should be not a way to attack the individual..one can express their opinion without the thread going out of control and then the mods have to step in and close it cause it has turned nasty...I think more tolerance would play a huge part in the whole discussion and not reading more into the thread then was intended...I think all points of view should be taken into consideration and not dismissed as trival...as I said we are all human and will take things personally, but as one of the mods said to me once before replying to something that has upset you get up from the computer go for a quick walk then come back and type your reply...it would be better if we took on her advice and I think a lot of stuff wouldnt even get out there...and from memory I think it was JustJo who offered those words of wisdom...lets think before we type...Donna

[John Olexa]

see it has followed me here LOL

cryjay your fine! don't worry about it :)

[John Olexa]

but as one of the mods said to me once before replying to something that has upset you get up from the computer go for a quick walk then come back and type your reply...


That is my biggest problem right there! I read something and BOOM I go to town! LOL

[jonesy zoo]

in everything that I have read from you...the only time you go BOOM is when they have attacked you as a individual...any you wouldnt....most times I do reply when very annoyed and then regret it afterwards but gosh we are all human and at the end of the day I believe we all are here for the love of animals...

[John Olexa]

any one remember beautifuldog? its people like that. You could see him just viewing anything I wrote (and only on the AR forum.
remember D3lta who started a thread I hate Peta LOL Now theres looking for trouble. it got closed befor it could start. But how can I not blow up at something like those to. Even Fuzzy Kitten what was it only her first or second post and it was does peta go overboard
fair question but it came right around the time of those oother 2 LOL.

I'm fine talking to people like craig & Cryjay. When theres a diffrence thats fine! it is just when they seem to go out of there way with flat lies & stuff that they just read off some site without ( and posting like they know it) thats really get me. ( Like what happen yesterday) not to mention off topic at that LOL
You don't agree with me heck thats cool, sometimes thats a good thing!!!! LMBO. All I ask is people check there facts before they post or at least say Your not sure but....... and ever thing will be fine.

[jonesy zoo]

my point...check your facts before you type....spend time researching the topic before you accusations..and once agin and I know I'm harping on this point...DO NOT ATTACK THE INDIVIDUAL..and respect is a very important word...I believe we should show people more of it...As I can see John and many others here live and breathe for animals...so will say they go overboard and why the heck arnt they out saving human life well this is animal forum not for saving the human race....another thing that gets me a little annoyed is when a thread turns into a biblical session...gosh I know the bible inside out and back again...I believe this section on the forum was to show as what animals are suffering and fnding solutions not to attack and convert anybody..please remember these are m opinions and I say John leave the section as is...cause ya cant mess with perfection...and thanks to those who put intelligent replies here cause I for one have learnt heaps and will continue to learn was this section

[Riosmommy]

John I understand where you are coming from I have seen the personal attacks specifically to you and PETA. It seesm to be alot of newbies who just want to stir up the pot. The fact is by the open discussions I know I have leanred so much about animal rights and just what is going on in the world with animals. People need to judge each topic individually and respond to the topics thats all. Most of the time your the messenger and you know what happens to the messenger. Stone Cold we have your back (which I know you dont need) You do so much good and we will not let trolls or people diminish that fact. If new people look around here and read your post and not just certain statements they will know you for the warm loving sensitive person you are..:) I'd leave my dogs with you anytime and I dont leave them with anyone but my Dad.
Rio&Nickysmommy

[John Olexa]

Wow, thank you.Thats about the nicest compliment anybody has ever given me! :)
Man I love this place!

[cryjay]

see it has followed me here LOL

cryjay your fine! don't worry about it :)
Phew! LOL

By the way my name is Crystal. I kind of suppose I should type that at the end of my posts until people get to know me- I just figure everyone psychic:D

And although, I'm new, I hope to be an active and hopefully sometimes helpful member of this forum. I am sure to learn lots here. I do like the forum the way it is, as long as no personal attacks are made. I am open minded on quite a few things, and sometimes a good debate on things helps me decide if I need to rethink my position on things. I am sure some others are the same.

and here ya go,
Crystal (insert smile here)

[alicat620]

Donna;

What great insight and suggestions you have, along with the Mod Squad of course ... I particularly like your reference to, and this has been a mention in many of my posts, about "uniformed and unintelligent" statements and or responses ... either to 'stir things up" or attack a particular individual's views -in a "not so adult" way~! *rather then responding decently and respectively. In many cases as well like you say, they do not even have the guts to attack an individual directly, but use threads and posts to slightly redirect it although it's clear what is meant. As well, like John said ... nothing will be mentioned at all about Peta, or any other subject in a thread ... and because they have seen a prior post in thread, and always a member who disagreed with their original post/thread, but made a decent adult response though, if they see anything ... groups they support, something in profile, etc. that they can attack ... they post, making target at this person instead of having the guts, decency and class to keep their mouth shut or send a PM, and at same time completely going off thread subject.

I pity this sort of lame, uninformed, unintelligent and child-like behavior. But, the only great thing is that ... it makes me happy when I awake in the morning - Me, with all my faults mind you! ~~> that it's me I see in the mirror~!!!! and that there are many members on here I look at the same way. Decent, good and pet loving souls who know who they are every day.

It's funny you mentioned about John going "BOOM" was it? LOL~! - I was thinking in the past, there have been times when John or other members did not catch a post that contained a lame attack at them, or maybe they did and were just "biting the bullet"!! But WE, as cronies have went "BOOM" for them!! ... on their behalf - in a decent way mind you.

I defend myself very well I might add, like John and along with other members. But this would never be, as much as it is!. if not for those who do not conduct themselves in a "somewhat" adult manner. Well, I go on to conduct myself in the most possible way~! hee hee, like a respectful adult, unless the table turns horribly~!!!!!!!! and as always let these people "disappear" from me because I do not argue with ignorance. :D

Thanks for listening,

Love Laurie

[jonesy zoo]

Laurie, I have always appreciate everything that you write...I have found it to be informative and full a great advice...and please keep up with your great posts you are one person whose threads I will always read...take care Donna

[dlaura]

Just wanted to let everyone who participated in this thread know that the moderators have discussed this suggestion at length via PMs. Thank you very much for the suggestion John and we appreciate you wanted to do this due to this forum being very controversial at times and therefore keeping the mods on their toes and it being a lot of work. It was a unanymous decision that just posting info and then closing the thread immediately would make this forum more of an information site and no longer a forum as it was intended. Therefore as moderators we have come up with stricter guidelines we will follow for moderating this particular forum and will not hesitate to hold firm the enforcement of same. So at this time I would ask that you all visit the animal rights forum and read the sticky created there for future reference. Thanks to all of you for your input here and we hope these changes/adjustments will make the animal rights forum more what it was intended for.