Animal Cruelty

[mircari]

FOR THE RECORD... I DID NOT MEAN TO BE RUDE TO ANYONE.
JUST YOU ALL KNOW I AM NOT CRUEL WITH ANIMALS. NOT INTENDING TO BE, SO... PLEASE BE CAREFULL WITH WHAT YOU IMPLY THEN... IN YOUR MESSAGES.

[Von L]

Oh dear mircari, I think you may have misunderstood everyone here. :(

If it was my post that upset you, I was not in any way trying to imply that I thought you would mistreat any animal. I was just trying to explain why some people are opposed to any breeding of animals for pets. There are so many animals of all kinds in shelters who need good homes, and there are also, unfortunately, horrible breeders out there who don't care at all about the animals in their care. There are many links to stories about both of these situations in the "Animal Rights Discussion" threads. My position was never to imply that I thought you would do anything like that, only that I feel anyone (not just you) who breeds any animal should learn as much as they can before they breed so they know what to expect. I know that is what you are trying to do, but you also seem impatient. If anything, I guess I was trying to encourage you to slow down and get the information that would help you do a good job of caring for your Finches if you decided you still wanted to breed them. One thing I do care a great deal about is good animal husbandry. If a person (again, not just you) breeds animals before they know how to tell if they have a good, unrelated breeding pair that is free of genitic defect or disease, it is the babies who suffer. That is something that they have to know before they breed, because afterwards it is too late if they find out because the babies are deformed or in poor health.

As to other people on the site, I of course can't know what others are thinking, but I did look at all the other posts. I did not see anyone accuse you of being cruel to your birds or any other animal, just some people who also tried to encourage you to slow down and educate youself before you breed.

The only other thing I would like to add is, when you use supersized fonts on your posts, it feels like you are yelling at everyone. That may be what you intend, and it may not, but it doesn't encourage anyone to provide you with the help you are looking for.

Yvonne

[dlaura]

mircari,
I personally have not responded to any of your questions as we don't have any finches. Just for your information I don't recall many members on the board as having finches, so others probably don't have any answers either. As a moderator here I also have reviewed your threads/posts and if any one was a bit rude here it was you typing in large capital fonts which implies yelling/screaming. You also need to remember that this is a big holiday weekend where a lot of people travel so a lot of members are not around to be here on petlovers just hanging around to answer your questions.

People on petlovers are very friendly and very helpful. However your implied impatience with not getting a reply as quickly as you wanted could be a big turn off to those who would have been willing to help. Yes, you can go on the internet and ask questions on sites like these, but you have no right to be indignant when the answers don't come quick enough, or the ones that do are not to your liking. '

Please consider yourself warned about not yelling/screaming in future posts. If you treat others like you would like to be treated you will be pleasantly surprised. Thank you for your anticipated cooperation in this matter.

[Von L]

LOL...Donna!

My daughter just turned 15...very scary...lol. My eldest though is 21 (a son, so he really acts 15 too...:D ).

Thanks for the kind words though, I'm honored. ;)

Yvonne

[Von L]

:p Oh yeah...there are lots of people here who love rescues...especially the "lovable mutt" variaty! ROFLMBO

[Gina]

mircari,
I personally have not responded to any of your questions as we don't have any finches. Just for your information I don't recall many members on the board as having finches, so others probably don't have any answers either. As a moderator here I also have reviewed your threads/posts and if any one was a bit rude here it was you typing in large capital fonts which implies yelling/screaming. You also need to remember that this is a big holiday weekend where a lot of people travel so a lot of members are not around to be here on petlovers just hanging around to answer your questions.

People on petlovers are very friendly and very helpful. However your implied impatience with not getting a reply as quickly as you wanted could be a big turn off to those who would have been willing to help. Yes, you can go on the internet and ask questions on sites like these, but you have no right to be indignant when the answers don't come quick enough, or the ones that do are not to your liking. '

Please consider yourself warned about not yelling/screaming in future posts. If you treat others like you would like to be treated you will be pleasantly surprised. Thank you for your anticipated cooperation in this matter.

I have to confess that I have finches but I didn't reply for two reasons. 1. Mine are female and I have no intentions of breeding. 2. I didn't like the whole caps yelling or impatience thing.

Sorry Macari, if you want more people to reply please stop shouting.

[dlaura]

Thanks! That makes two of us Gina. I believe there are many more then 2.

[Squawksx3]

I have not seen anyone implying you are cruel to animals :confused: . If anything, you have been very rude in your posts.

[mircari]

It was more specifically towards Von L's posts it is a mdoerator but... it does not help.

Thanks to all anyway!

[JustJo]

Mircari,

This is a second warning. Please stop using the bold bright fonts for your posts. They are annoying and imply that you are screaming at people. I have not seen where anyone, including Von L, has accused you of cruelty to animals. You need to get the chip off your shoulder and get real. :rolleyes:

[Von L]

mircari,

I am very sorry that I upset you. That was never my intention, and I tried very hard to word my posts in such a way as to provide you with important information without sounding judgemental in any way. I regret very much that I was not successful, but I do stand by what I said.

Also, I think I need to explain that I am not one of the moderators of the site. I am just another member like you. I have been doing a great deal of research on parrots ever since I got my Moustached Parakeet, Squirt, and I do enjoy sharing what I have learned with others, but no one connected to the site is in any way responsible for the things I had to say. They were my opinions based on my own research, experiences, and observations. Please don't hold others responsible for my words.

Finally, I do wish you luck with your Finches. I hope you do well with them.

Yvonne

[Von L]

Thanks Donna...that felt good!!! :D

[WAbirdlady]

I would have responded to your post if I knew anything about Finches or breeding. I try only to respond to topics I have knowledge or experience of.

Please do take Von L. advice about taking time to learn as much about breeding as possible. Due to poor breeding my female cockatiel is near sighted, her joints pop and crack, she has serious allergies and she doesn’t produce enough feather dust/powder to protect her feathers. My husband and I both agree that she will probably be the 1st of our flock to pass on.

We are doing everything to prevent her from breeding. I can’t image what her babies would suffer from. That thought kills me.

Please keep posting your questions. You can never learn enough about your birds.

[Pepsidoodle]

Hey Mircari. I hope it wasn't me. I was just trying to help as was everyone else. Please don't be offended by our advice. We do not know you therefore are giving you a kind of generic advice we would give anyone. No malice intended. Just help. This is a nice peaceful place. We don't like to rattle cages-pardon the pun.:)

[Squawksx3]

I believe mircari is about 15 yrs old... which helps me understand more... I have a 16 yr old :rolleyes: . Case closed. :D

[Pepsidoodle]

The trials of being a teenager. Would I go back? NO WAAYY. Maybe to about 22...yeah that would be good.

[mircari]

I believe mircari is about 15 yrs old... which helps me understand more... I have a 16 yr old :rolleyes: . Case closed. :D

Thank you must be hard to be fourty as well, my total support

[mircari]

The trials of being a teenager. Would I go back? NO WAAYY. Maybe to about 22...yeah that would be good.


Thank you must be hard to be fourty as well, my total support

[SweetPea]

HMM i just am cathing up with these threads, as ive been having terrible days lately...

as for the age thing, it's not specifically the number, but the maturity level...

As with finches, yes I have two of them.

I also respond to most posts, but if you were to go on and ask simple questions that even I, a non breeder, can answer, then I dont think youre ready, but should go back to reading more...

If you can't get books..i suggest the library.. know what one is?

[Squawksx3]

Thank you must be hard to be fourty as well, my total support

LMBO!!!. Im 45 to be exact..and with your support and the Depends... I think I can make it through the rest of the week just fine :D . Thank you!

['too crazy]

Thank you must be hard to be fourty as well, my total support

Being a forty-something year old myself, I must say it's quite easy. Mircari, your sarcasam is not something we need or want on this board. I'm sure you can see your not making any friends here. Please don't make us ban you.

['too crazy]

LMBO!!!. Im 45 to be exact..and with your support and the Depends... I think I can make it through the rest of the week just fine Thank you!

Sis, I take Geritol twice a day. Maybe you should try some.:D Oh yeah, *whispering* and Metimucil to help keep me regular.:eek:

[Squawksx3]

Hey sis... I seem to be getting low on my Geritol supply.... do you have a few I can borrow?. The prunes seem to be helping right now but thanks for the Metimucil tip!. They're having a senior citizen square dance this friday... so you want to go with me? :p

['too crazy]

Ohhhhh that's bingo night!!:( Yep, I have some Geritol you can borrow. I bought a few bottles with my social security check last month. Do you have an extra pair of support hose I can borrow for bingo night?

[Squawksx3]

What time is Bingo?.... maybe we can go to Bingo, then to the square dance?. I bought a big supply of support hose when I stocked up on the depends... so we can exchange the Geritol and hose at the same time. By the way, I seem to have lost a hearing aid... did I leave it at your house?.

['too crazy]

The bingo starts pretty late...6 pm and will be over at 7 pm. By the time I get home it'll be almost 7:30 and that is waaaaayyyyy past my bedtime. Remember, I'm a year older than you. I'll look for your hearing aid as soon as I find my bifocals. I think I left them at the Senior Citizen Center.;)

[Von L]

Oh yeah...you two are positivly doddering in your old age! LOL :D

You know what they say...Your life is over at 40...or is that Your life begins at 40...I keep forgeting. I must be getting senile...after all, I'm 41...ROFLMBO :p

Yvonne

[Magnum]

That's what Clarisa was playing hockey with the other night........:eek: Sorry Jan, I'll be sure to get your hearing aid back to you. Will 6 pm be too late to pop in on ya?

['too crazy]

Yvonne I'm so sorry to hear your 41. Please take it from us elderly girls, life is all downhill from here. Leaky bladders...early bedtimes...no patience for spoiled, whiney teenagers...:D

[Squawksx3]

Hmmmm... maybe you should up the Geritol dose sis then you can do Bingo and square dancing in the same night. I've been eating more broccoli and oatmeal and its helping... so try that the next few days. Good luck finding your bifocals..... did you call Hazel at the center and ask if they found them?.

ROFLMBO Yvonne!!. I hear they have new vitamins to help with senility.. I'll have to check into it more because I may benefit from them. Sometimes I just cant remember where I left my head at.

Thanks Mags!. Sometimes I cant hear hubby when he yells at me and he's getting frustrated. If I go to Bingo with sis, I'll have to leave the house at 4:30pm cause my car doesnt go very fast and need time to get there....also my walker lost a wheel so it takes awhile to get to my car in the garage... so can you come by earlier?.

['too crazy]

Sis you want me to do bingo AND square dance??:eek: Ill try but I'm not as young as I used to be you know. I can't call Hazel because I can't see the numbers on the telephone without my bifocals. Bertha next door said she'll call for me though. You still have your hubby? I forgot where I put mine....:p

[dlaura]

Maybe Magnum can return your hearing aid tomorrow Jan ........ or will you need to sleep the whole day to recuperate from your big night?

[Magnum]

I can swing by right after my dental appt. I get my new upper plate.......:D Lost a front tooth when I accidentally spit them out laughing at my brother's joke. Let it be a lesson...never run out of Polygrip.......:rolleyes:

[Von L]

Thanks Jan...I'll have to look for those. Then all I'll have to do is remember to take them...:D

Hey...maybe that's why they say life begins at 40...'cause you can't rememer anything before...LOL!!! :p

Yvonne

['too crazy]

Sis I found my bifocals! They were next to my teeth!:D Can somebody give me a ride to the store? I'm all out of moth balls.

[WAbirdlady]

You all crack me up…I guess I can’t participate because I’m only 31. Tell me…where do I belong?

[Squawksx3]

Wonderful you found your bifocals sis!. I can give you a ride to the store after my nap. That'll be fine Mags... I'll be here after your dental appt....thanks for reminding me I need more polygrip.. sis can you remind me when we go to the store?. I will need to sleep in until noon at least the next day Diane. They have pill boxes with days on them Yvonne.. to help you remember to take your pills. I bet that is why they say life begins at 40.... you cant remember the years before hahahahahahahahha. WAbirdlady.... its never too early to prepare for the golden years....just have Clairol and keep your eyes open for a good deal on rocking chairs. ;)

[Magnum]

Ah geez, forgot to tell ya Jan, I have an extra wheel for you from my other walker. I got a new one with those rollerblade wheels, and let me tell ya.......it scoots right along at a smooth pace....very little vibration and much easier on the dentures.:D I don't sound like a rattle trap going across the parking lot at the geriatric therapy clinic anymore.:p

[JustJo]

ROTFLMAO Jan! Of course I am much older than you and in addition to the Depends could not get along without my Ben-Gay, Geritol, and Polident. :D

[dlaura]

Gee don't any of you other oldsters need the moisturizing lotion, the cortizone cream, the vaseline etc. to keep the old skin from drying out and flaking off????? No one has mentioned that ......... so I thought I'd just ask.

[Squawksx3]

Thanks Mags.. I'm currently in the process of applying for a red scooter with an electric motor... fingers crossed I get one and can get rid of this walker. About the skin Diane..... mine has so many wrinkles and sags I honestly dont know if lotion and such will do any good at this point. I need a total body lift.... Im so tired of my rear dragging the ground.. not to mention other parts. Anyone know a good plastic surgeon?. Thanks Jo... I was making out my Christmas present list and was stumped on what to get you.... now I have a few idea's. :p

[Squawksx3]

Sis you want me to do bingo AND square dance??:eek: Ill try but I'm not as young as I used to be you know. I can't call Hazel because I can't see the numbers on the telephone without my bifocals. Bertha next door said she'll call for me though. You still have your hubby? I forgot where I put mine....:p

Sorry sis... my mind got lost between reading all these words... on the misplaced hubby... did you check in the doghouse?.

[dlaura]

I am ROFLMAO as I was just picturing the picture everyone is getting of us oldsters here. What a riot!!!!!! I think we are leaving a someone speechless.

[Von L]

Hi fellow cronies...;) I just got back from my mid-day nap. Surprising what a difference it makes...lol. Babies sure do have the right idea.

dlaura - I think you're right. Maybe if anyone could learn anything from a bunch of oldsters, it would be not to take themselves too seriously...:p

Yvonne

[blueberrybun]

I think it is hilarious! I have been following it since about the time it started but have not chimed in because I have awhile before I am an old fart like you people in your 40s! :eek: LOL. I'm just playing! Nothin but love here! ;)

[Von L]

That's okay Katie, we can feel the love! ;) (And at our age, we need it...lol)

Ahhh the pity. Youth, it's wasted on the young! :p
(George Bernard Shaw - I think...lol)

Yvonne

[Magnum]

My sister found a way to never hit forty. She is now thirty eighteen......:p

[Squawksx3]

:eek: how did you know I had bean burrito's last night for dinner?.... where the heck is my beano :confused:

Mag.. can you let us know what your sisters secret is?. I need a nap too... Im exhausted from standing in front of the mirror looking for grey hairs... or should I say looking for non grey hairs LOL.

[Von L]

LOL Magnum...I used to be '20 twice', but then I turned 41 and ruined that one. :p Pretty soon I get to be '21 twice' though. ;)

Yvonne

[JustJo]

Ahhhh ladies. For us oldsters, I like Andy Rooney's appreciation for us:

Here are some of them:

An older woman will never wake you in the
middle of the night to ask,
"What are you thinking?" She doesn't care
what you think.

An older woman knows herself well enough to be
assured in who she is, what she is, what she
wants and from whom. Few women past the age
of 50 give a damn what you might think about her.

An older woman looks good wearing bright red lipstick.
This is not true of younger women or drag queens.

Women get psychic as they age. You never have to
confess your sins to an older woman. They always know.

Older women are forthright and honest.
They'll tell you right off you are a jerk if you
are acting like one.

For every stunning, smart, well-coifed babe of 70
there is a bald, paunchy relic in yellow pants
making a fool of himself with some 22 year
old waitress.

I don't feel badly if this thread is stolen either. You know why? Because I'm OLD!

LOL!

[Von L]

Those are great Jo. I especially love this one;

An older woman will never wake you in the
middle of the night to ask,
"What are you thinking?" She doesn't care
what you think. :p

Yvonne

[Magnum]

Great one Jo!

I like this one:

Older women are forthright and honest.
They'll tell you right off you are a jerk if you
are acting like one.:p

Hey Yvonne, according to my sis...you are thirty eleven...........:D

[dlaura]

Magnum I like your sister's age thing. I am just 3 years older then your sister. LOL It doesn't sound so bad that way!

[Von L]

Hmmm, thirty eleven...thats got a nice ring to it ;)

Tell you sister thanks, Magnum...lol.

Yvonne

['too crazy]

Hey I like that too. I'm thirty "sweet" sixteen.:D

[Pepsidoodle]

PRUNES!!!Dont forget the prunes dears! It gives you good constitutions.

[Pepsidoodle]

Oh crap I didn't see this 4th page. I always do this. I say I am 35 plus tax.:)

[Von L]

Careful Pepsidoodle...it sounds like you've been eating too many prunes! :D ROFLMBO

[Pepsidoodle]

I walked right into that one#*$$". Can I say crap on here again? CRS->can't remember crap!LOL:eek:

[Von L]

:D LOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOL

Stop...stop...your making my sides hurt! ;)

[Magnum]

ROTFLMBO!!! CRS is catchy.......LOL

[Pepsidoodle]

Its more like epidemic down here in blue hairville. If you can't beat em, join em. hehe.